Your play here?

[Bigwig]

With 8BB, don't you also have to consider that you may have a better opportunity at a better position than pushing here with 6 left to act with a hand like 55, regardless of Eastbay's program?

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btw for what its worth I would definitely fold 55 and 66. (might change if blinds are up very next hand)

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A lot of this comes from the fact that with a really loose range you get called by worse hands way too much.

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Try setting a couple/few of them to call with 22+ instead of 66+ and 55+ will come out +$EV. I'm not sure what I will do gametime 4-tabling here. I think in practice it will be better to stick with 66+ or maybe 77+.

[Bigwig]

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A lot of this comes from the fact that with a really loose range you get called by worse hands way too much.

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Try setting a couple/few of them to call with 22+ instead of 66+ and 55+ will come out +$EV. I'm not sure what I will do gametime 4-tabling here. I think in practice it will be better to stick with 66+ or maybe 77+.

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Who's calling with 22 here? Seriously.

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Button guaranteed. Small blind maybe. Big blind possibly.

And, oh yeah, people are crazy. Yesterday I got spite called by a 23 (it was sooted).

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A lot of this comes from the fact that with a really loose range you get called by worse hands way too much.

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Try setting a couple/few of them to call with 22+ instead of 66+ and 55+ will come out +$EV. I'm not sure what I will do gametime 4-tabling here. I think in practice it will be better to stick with 66+ or maybe 77+.

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Who's calling with 22 here? Seriously.

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Come on man, you do play at Party, right?

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A lot of this comes from the fact that with a really loose range you get called by worse hands way too much.

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Try setting a couple/few of them to call with 22+ instead of 66+ and 55+ will come out +$EV. I'm not sure what I will do gametime 4-tabling here. I think in practice it will be better to stick with 66+ or maybe 77+.

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Who's calling with 22 here? Seriously.

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Come on man, you do play at Party, right?

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Eh, I'm sure Eastbay's tool is good, I'm just not liking any line that says pushing 55 UTG here is good. I think they're are other variables. And the problem with these broad ranges is that 22 will call less often than AQ. I hate giving 6 hands to 22 for the calculation.

Anyway, I think pushing with anything less than 88 here is usually a mistake. And I'm sticking to it. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Eh, I'm sure Eastbay's tool is good, I'm just not liking any line that says pushing 55 UTG here is good. I think they're are other variables. And the problem with these broad ranges is that 22 will call less often than AQ. I hate giving 6 hands to 22 for the calculation.

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While that may be true, you really shouldn't mind getting called by AQ. Sure you'd rather just win the blinds, but getting into a coinflip vs a non-blind is +EV (but not much).

This is actually a bit of a surprise to me, but the math backs it up.

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Eh, I'm sure Eastbay's tool is good, I'm just not liking any line that says pushing 55 UTG here is good. I think they're are other variables. And the problem with these broad ranges is that 22 will call less often than AQ. I hate giving 6 hands to 22 for the calculation.

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While that may be true, you really shouldn't mind getting called by AQ. Sure you'd rather just win the blinds, but getting into a coinflip vs a non-blind is +EV (but not much).

This is actually a bit of a surprise to me, but the math backs it up.

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I know, I'm just saying that these simulations don't take that variable into the equation. When you plug 22 in, it gets the same weight as QQ. QQ is calling you 99% of the time here, 22 may not call you 15% of the time.

Anyway, I also would still mention that with 8BB I can wait for a better spot rather than pushing 55 with 6 left to act.

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I know, I'm just saying that these simulations don't take that variable into the equation. When you plug 22 in, it gets the same weight as QQ. QQ is calling you 99% of the time here, 22 may not call you 15% of the time.

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That's my idea. I'm working on a range of hands calculator that lets you do stuff like that. Shh.