Latest WPT Chip Count - Grinder & Fossilman Lead

[Rushmore]

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This is why I, in general, don't like playing tournaments.

Now, first off, before I get yelled at, let me say that I think Raymer and Grinder are both very good poker players and NL tourney players. However....

Russell Rosenblum raised preflop to $10,000 and Mizrachi called. The flop came down Jh-7h-2h, and Rosenblum bet out $8,000. Instantly, Mizrachi raises it to $18,000, but Rosenblum comes right back for $35,000. Mizrachi then moves all in, and is called quickley by Rosenblum. Rosenblum shows shows Qh-10h for a flush, and Mizrachi shows Ah-10c. The turn card brings the 4h,

Raymer had 9's to Mads Queens. The flop came J 10 8. Mads went all-in for about 270k and Greg caught his straight with a 7.

Now, that's just part of tournament poker. But here they are, the two guys getting the money in as big dogs now chip leaders (and it looks like the bulk of their stacks came from these hands), while the guys who got the money in very good are home.

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I don't know what else to say, other than...

I agree 100%.

[TimTimSalabim]

Not yelling at you, but it's impossible to evaluate those plays without knowing stack sizes.

[frenchy]

it never happends in cash games ...

[Nottom]

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it never happends in cash games ...

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That's not his point

[gergery]

Both got their money in as 25% favorites or so – so they outdrew their opponents but it’s common enough that I wouldn’t even call it much of a bad beat.

And if it’s part of an overall style ala Doyle/Hansen, “win lots of little pots, get paid off on big hands and hope to suck out when caught”, then your comment seems more a commentary on “I don’t like a particular style that is high variance but very effective in tourneys”, rather than “tourneys have lots of luck so the better players get screwed”

You know, if Russell had been wearing a mask, I don’t think it would have happened to
him…

--greg

[ericsind]

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This is why I, in general, don't like playing tournaments.


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Maybe you should change that to "this is why I don't like playing poker."

Surely you've gotten your money in with the worst of it and won. And surely you're not saying that the best hand on the flop (or preflop) should win all the time. A lot more just, I suppose, but not nearly as interesting, eh?! No offense intended -- just pointing out that your examples are an integral part of the game, and really what makes it the game it is.

[Smoothcall]

yes if he had the scary El Diablo mask noone would ever call him! That really does scare me. i hope you don't wear that at the tables.

[That guy]

got to add the ~10%+ Harrington factor into pot equity when playing aggressive tournament players. call it 15%

25% + 15% = 40% equity

[xorbie]

I don't think you're understanding his point. In a cash game, I might lose a huge pot due to a bad beat. I reload, and by the end of the day I've usually made it back. If not the day, then by the end of the week.

But in a tourney, you can make it really deep in, and still lose on a bad beat. No more reload, you're done.

[jacki]

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I don't think you're understanding his point. In a cash game, I might lose a huge pot due to a bad beat. I reload, and by the end of the day I've usually made it back. If not the day, then by the end of the week.

But in a tourney, you can make it really deep in, and still lose on a bad beat. No more reload, you're done.

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But there's another tournament next week or next month or tomorrow, right?

Over time luck gets flattened out, right?