What the f***

11t · #1 04-20-2005, 01:36 AM

What the f***

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

Hero (t1500)
Button (t1400)
SB (t2400)
BB (t1400)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t900)
MP2 (t1400)
MP3 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t20, 3 folds, Hero calls t20, Button calls t20, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t100) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t100) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (t100) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets t1480 (All-In), Hero...

Apathy · #2 04-20-2005, 01:41 AM

Unless you know this person to be an idiot, or have some reason to believe they are tilting etc. just lay this down.

LBJ · #3 04-20-2005, 01:42 AM

You need to call. No sense in folding a set with no flush out there. If he slowplayed the straight on the turn, then he will take it down...nothing you can do about it. Call.

tjh · #4 04-20-2005, 02:21 AM

I wonder if a case could not be made that you made an error before the river.

I count 12 checks in a row. That is a lot of checking. If aggression pays then wouldn't a bet to "see where you were at" prevent this from happening. I mean this guy might have some crazy steal strategy, or he is bored, or it is early. Because of all this checking it is impossible to make any judgement about possible hands that he might have. I would bet the turn with any pocket pair even underpair after so much checking. Looking at this it looks like the second hand or something so expect mayhem.

The turn looks to me like the lost chance. I would bet here. If they think you are representing a J then they will fight back if they have a Q, also A-rag might have checked the flop. If they do not raise you probably would chase someone out and at least you would have a feel for where you stand when the river hits.

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tjh

LeVoodoo · #5 04-20-2005, 02:29 AM

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He did push 1480 into an 80 pot, didn't he?

illab · #6 04-20-2005, 02:34 AM

80% I see a crazy overbet like that, its a weak hand like a draw or a low pair. The other 20% they are protecting a good hand from draws. Obviously, since this is the river, draws are not an issue. I dont think Ive ever seen anyone bet like that with the nuts, it doesnt make a lot of sense. Id have to call.

11t · #7 04-20-2005, 02:38 AM

are you suggesting i bet into a multiperson pot with 3 overcards with 55?

Are you high?

Shilly · #8 04-20-2005, 02:46 AM

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are you suggesting i bet into a multiperson pot with 3 overcards with 55?

Are you high?

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You played it fine.

I call.

RobertC · #9 04-20-2005, 02:50 AM

UTG+1 either limped with A-A or Q-Q and then decided to slow play his set; limped with J-J and was going for the check raise on the turn; or made two pair with the five on the river. Because 3 of the 5's are already accounted for it seems more likely that you are up against a higher set.

But even if you think there's a high probability that he's bluffing, does it make sense to risk your whole stack early in a tournament when someone way over bets the pot?

LeVoodoo · #10 04-20-2005, 03:07 AM

To limp with aces or queens, hit a set on the flop, check it down to the river, then push on the river would be the absolute worst way to play a hand, ever. The guy is most likely trying to buy the pot, or just hit his two pair with Q5 or something. Whichever it is, this guy is a twonk, and you must call.