KQo from MP

pottie · #1 04-19-2005, 03:43 PM

Im not sure about the bet or the fold... any comments appreciated

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t2060)
MP1 (t1405)
MP2 (t990)
Hero (t1970)
CO (t1380)
Button (t1640)
SB (t2105)
BB (t2630)
UTG (t1470)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero raises to t200, 4 folds, MP1 calls t150.

Flop: (t475) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t350, MP1 raises to t700, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1525

shag · #2 04-19-2005, 03:46 PM

I dont like your PF raise. Dont like this line at all. You risked almost half your stack in a marginal situation... At this point in the tournement dont make plays wait for favorable situations and get as much money in as possible.

My .02

mikeymer · #3 04-19-2005, 03:47 PM

Shag, you would cold call that?

Jax_Grinder · #4 04-19-2005, 04:01 PM

Read on MP1?

Looks like 475 in the pot on the flop. $350 is probably a tad heavy here for a continuation bet, but not completely indefensible (I look to put in $150-$250 here). If your read has MP1 calling w/ Ax, I MIGHT be worried about A3 A4. Without any other information though, this smells like mid-pair or big cards testing the waters (where he is likely to assume that this flop missed you, but wants to see where you stand vis-a-vis a bigger overpair). Trips/overpair is likely going to CR bigger and FH flat calls on this flop.

IMO you have to fold this no matter how distasteful it may be. 6 outs to your cards (either of which are probably dead outs to AK or AQ) with the probability of an A in the villains hand that wins when you both miss is just not where you want to get another T350 (or 25% of your remaining stack) in with a call; another raise or all-in will almost certainly spell the end of you.

Ask youself this: Even if your best possible card (Ks) comes on the turn, will you want to put all your money in at that point?

DireWolf · #5 04-19-2005, 04:04 PM

If i called and a king came on the turn, I would be willing to put my money in, because i think the most likely holding for villan is a small pocket pair. I wouldn't call the flop hoping for a king though.

shag · #6 04-19-2005, 04:05 PM

well preflop its pretty much raise or fold... i think raising here is ok... I may lean towards folding but I play pretty tight compaired to others at this point in the tourny. The continuation bet is ok also and of course you have to fold to the raise. Its more a general concept that I have tried to stay away from putting this many chips in with a marginal hand. I dont think its terrible I just may throw that hand away to save it for a more favorable situation. Flop play also depends on the opponent.

schwza · #7 04-19-2005, 04:08 PM

i'd bet 300 instead of 350 on the flop but otherwise i think it's good.

mikeymer · #8 04-19-2005, 04:14 PM

Similar topic: do you call a pot raise with KQo... what about KQs? and in what position?

pottie · #9 04-21-2005, 02:18 AM

I dont call pot raises with KQ or KQs, only consider it when its a very loose raiser or a possible blind steal (and then a raise may still be better than call). You will be outkicked by AK or AQ just too often and is a dangerous play.