Long Run Hand Values

[CrazyAzn]

Ive often read that AA is worth 4 times the blinds so it is a catastrophe to merely steal the blinds w/ AA.
Ive also read that hands like AQ and below are not worth more than the Blinds so the best thing that can happen is that u steal the blinds.

How do people come up w/ these long run Values of hands? I of course understand the difference b/t multiway value, shorthanded value, and Hot and cold value. I think i have a firm grasp on multiway, and Hot & cold hand values... but i dont understand how to evaluate the hand values in a shorthanded environment. I usually just default to Hot and Cold values since there is very rarely multiway action in shorthanded play.

thanks
peter

[12Motion]

Hot and Cold values? I have never heard of that, could you tell me what that means?

[CrazyAzn]

Hot and cold values are how hands would perform if both players were all in from the start... like in nolimit holdem when 2 people go all in preflop. like
A [img]/forums/images/icons/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] vs A [img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/forums/images/icons/club.gif[/img]
92.8% to 7.2%

peter

[CreamPuff]

How do people come up w/ these long run Values of hands?

I know that Abdul Jalib concluded AA was worth 4x the
BB, by doing simulations with Turbo Texas Holdem.
His web site is http://www.posev.com


But for the record, I found my own sim results
on shorthanded play to be dangerous and misleading.
(At least to my game).

[RiverMel]

Hi,
I looked at the posev.com site and wasn't able to find any sort of a breakdown or list of long-run hand values. (Although the few articles there were interesting and useful). Am I just not seeing it? Or is the information available at some other location? If not, how were you (and/or CrazyAzn) coming up with the figures (e.g., AQ being worth about the blinds, AA being 4x, and so on)? Thanks.

[RiverMel]

I think your response was just a bit off. "Hot & cold value" is not the value if all-in pre-flop. Rather, one (I think "hot value"--can't remember which) is the value if the hand is played through. The other ("cold value") is how the hand does if all-in preflop. So "hot & cold" does not mean all-in, rather it is referring to both separate values jointly. [This is obviously just a nitpick but I thought I would pick nits since the original poster was asking for a definition.]

[tewall]

See if this is helpful.

https://www.pokerroom.com/evstats/to...php?players=10