Europe - Thy Name is Cowardice

[PhatTBoll]

I'm sure having American bases dotting the continent has had nothing to do with the peace in Europe.

[Arnfinn Madsen]

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I'm sure having American bases dotting the continent has had nothing to do with the peace in Europe.

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Played a major role after World War II. Now, without effect.

[vulturesrow]

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LOL. This has made Europe into a peaceful continent, it has gradually made Asia into a peaceful continent. This kind of statement shows lack of historical perspective. Tens of millions of youths were killed during the two world wars. Instead of hatred, the countries managed to create understanding (unlike those three groups mentioned).


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Wrong. War, go figure, is what brought peace to Europe. And by the way, I havent seen much in the way of cooperation in the former republic of Yugoslavia. As for Asia, why is it that Japan is the country it is now? Oh yeah, international cooperation...not.

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No, I rank them as follows:
1. American right, not from insanity but from size of power and lack of intelligently applying it and enlarging group 2.
2. Moslem fundamentalists, can destabalize a lot of countries.
3. Israel, as enlarging group 2.


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Are you privy to some terrorist census that none of the rest of us are ? The one that tells you how many terrorists have been "created". Well , guess what, America tried the "other way" and it resulted in terrorists ramming commercial airplanes into American buildings.



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Death penalty, torture, preventive attack in residential areas.

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Death penalty- I dont support this. You are right the majority of the right does. Im not quite sure how supporting this puts us in the top 3 threats to the world.

Torture- Wrong.

Preventive attack in residential areas- Sorry thats war. Its an ugly thing. If terrorists want to hide in the neighborhoods, thats where they are going to be hit. Fact of the matter is that the American military goes to great lengths to prevent civilian casualties. They still happen and no one likes it.

[Stan the man]

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International cooperation is overrated.

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Education is underrated in America.

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Torture- Wrong.

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Bullshit. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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Preventive attack in residential areas- Sorry thats war.

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Thats war? [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Did you know that every war is wrong?

[vulturesrow]

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Education is underrated in America.

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I dont completely disagree with you. Whats your point?

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Bullshit

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Find me something that proves that the American right condones and espouses torture. And define exactly what you mean by torture.

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Thats war? Did you know that every war is wrong?

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No I didnt know that. I was under the impression that WWII stopped attempted genocide by Nazi Germany. I guess that was wrong.

[zaxx19]

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LOL. This has made Europe into a peaceful continent

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Wow, I have to show my friend from Srarjevo this post he is gonna have a good laugh....

[Stan the man]

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Whats your point?

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If you think that international cooperation is overrated, then You and your friends need more education.

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Find me something that proves that the American right condones and espouses torture. And define exactly what you mean by torture.

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I don't care about this sh*t (politics forum) so find your sources yourself! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] (hint: try Google)

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No I didnt know that. I was under the impression that WWII stopped attempted genocide by Nazi Germany. I guess that was wrong.

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How about Vietnam and Iraq? If you think that war's are right, then you are just an idiot. (hint: more international cooperation = less war's )

[zaxx19]

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If you think that war's are right, then you are just an idiot.

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If you think the whole world is like Scandanavia.........

[andyfox]

Reagan had been giving speeches on foreign policy for many years before his speech at the 1964 Republican Convention. But in that speech you cite, he took the Democratic Party to task for being Socialist and Communist. He was talking not of taking a first step in that criticism, but of its past policies:

"February 19 at the University of Minnesota, Norman Thomas, six-times candidate for Presdient on the Socialist Party ticket, said, 'If Barry Goldwater became President, he would stop the advance of socialism in the United States,' I think that's exactly what he will do.

"But as a former Democrat, I can tell you Norman Thomas isn't the only man who has drawn this parallel to socialism with the present administration, because back in 1936, Mr. Democrat himself, Al Smith, the great American, came before the Amreican people and charged that the leadership of his Party was taking the Party of Jefferson, Jackson, and Cleveland down the road under the banners of Marx, Lenin, and Stalin. And he walked away from his Party, and he never returtned til the day he died--because to this day, the leadership of that Party hads been taking that Party, that honorable Party, down the road in the image of the labor Socilaist Party of England."

[Regan didn't make clear how somebody could, in 1936, draw parallels to "the present administration" in 1964, but it is clear he meant the Democratic party's long "administration" of federal policy from FDR's time to LBJ's.]

Reagan on the Carter administration: "We now [1980] enter one of the most dangerous decades of Western civilization."
He claimed Vietnam had "annexed" Indochina, that Castro was turing the Caribbean into a "red sea" that would engulf Mexico. Carter had led the country through an era of "vacillation, appeasement and aimlessness," the result of which was that "we find ourselves increasingly in a position of dangerous isolation." Several times in the campaign he compared American policy toward the Soviet Union to the Allied appeasement of Hitler. "I believe we are seeing the same situation as when Mr. Chamberlain was tapping the cobblestones of Munich." Carter had made a "shambles" of defense because he was "totally oblivious to the Soviet drive for world domination." The United States was "unilaterally disarming." The country, he warned, "is in greater danger today that it was on the day of Pearl Harbor."

Going back to 1976, Reagan charged Ford and Kissinger with recklessness. He said Kissinger had presided over the loss of American power and that President Ford had shown "neither the vision nor the leadership necessary to halt and reverse the diplomatic amd military decline of the United States."

But all this was nothing new. Reagans' advisers called his speeches, "The Speech," because he made the same one countless times. His campaign manager John Sears said, "There's a generation gap between what Reagan thinks he knows about the world and the reality. His is a kind of 1952 world. He sees the world in black and white terms." And, indeed, Reagan had learned his politics in the 1950s, from the Republican right, the part of the party dominated by Robert Taft. He had made similar comments about the foreign policies of Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson. For example, remarking about Johnson's Vietnam policy, Reagan said (on October 19, 1965): "It's silly talking about how many years we will have to spend in the jungles of Vietnam when we could pave tehw hole country and put parking strips o nit, and be home by Christmas." [As late as October 16, 1967, he said "I have a feeling that we are doing beter in the war than the people have been told."]

We can debate whether Reagan was right or wrong in his assessments. But there is no question he was a constant and longstanding critic of American foreign policy as conducted by both the Democrats and Republicans since the onset of the Cold War.

[ACPlayer]

Me thinks perchance you are the one guilty of wishful thinking. Both in your assessment of the dangers to the world of foreign piolicy and the tolerance of religions.

But then the right wingers on the forum are usually not guilty of even attempting any introspection.

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Wishful thinking doesnt make that so. Just so, even if that is a true statment, so what? That doesnt make them thinking those things true.

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My semantic analyzer broke down on this paragraph. What the dickens does it mean.