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Old 04-17-2005, 09:09 PM
Awesemo Awesemo is offline
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Default Good fold, or weak tight?

Party Poker 30+3 No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

Button (t790)
SB (t785)
BB (t800)
Hero (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t870)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t755)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls t60, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t105</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls t45, UTG+2 calls t45.

Flop: (t337.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t450</font>, Hero folds, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: t787.50

My thought on the hand was that the suspicious reraise preflop either meant that the villain had AA, AK, or KK. I dont understand why people do the whole min reraise thing, but it usually seems to be with those hands. So, on the flop since he overbets the pot, I put him on AA or KK and fold. Is my reasoning correct, or am I restricting his range of hands too much?
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Old 04-17-2005, 09:20 PM
valenzuela valenzuela is offline
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Default Re: Good fold, or weak tight?

I would call postflop because if he min-raises before the flop with aces why would he bet big on the flop?. Also notice hes last to act so he might be bluffing. This doesnt mean he wont have AA or KK (or JJ) but the times he has AJ,AK,flush draw, compensates for this. EDIT: push post-flop, i forgot the moron still has like 200 in his stack.
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Old 04-17-2005, 09:21 PM
Shilly Shilly is offline
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Default Re: Good fold, or weak tight?

I think your hand might have been good here. Would he really want to blast you out of the pot with AA or KK (or JJ)? I think you have to push here, and if he shows AA or KK, bite your lip and move on.
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Old 04-17-2005, 09:21 PM
strelok strelok is offline
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Default Re: Good fold, or weak tight?

Any reason not to bet the rainbow flop with an overpair? I think you were up against AJ here and he was taking this pot right there with you checking before.
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Old 04-17-2005, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: Good fold, or weak tight?

Min-raises are hella common. I wouldn't put him on a super narrow range preflop. Post-flop his bet looks more like TPTK than anything else, but who knows. I think the long run favors pushing.
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Old 04-17-2005, 09:29 PM
willperkins willperkins is offline
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Default Re: Good fold, or weak tight?

I have two chains of thought here.

1st thought:
I do not like the check after the flop. You have t695. Bet t200 into the pot to give anyone on a flush draw the improper odds to call. Also, it will better define your hand. If he comes back over the top, and you really think he has AA or KK you could consider a fold or, if you think he has AK then push becasue of the 2.16 to 1 pot odds that you will be getting if he calls you.


2nd thought:
His larger than pot sized bet after the flop doesn't seem like AA or KK. It sounds more like AK or a flush draw, maybe TT. If you put him on any of these hands then push (once again the pot odds of 2.16 to one are too good to pass up when you are the favorite.

I could be very wrong in my thinking and would certainly love to hear from others on this hand.
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Old 04-17-2005, 09:44 PM
gasgod gasgod is offline
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Default Re: Good fold, or weak tight?

CO's raise of t450 is very peculiar, since he has t650 on the table. If you read him as a savvy player, you gotta wonder why he didn't push. Maybe he is hoping for a call? That doesn't make sense either because a bet in the range of t250 - t300 would suit that purpose better.

I think he's just a poor player, so I would push. No guarantees.

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