An SSH Move Fails Hard

[Schizo]

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juiced flop

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?? what does that mean?

[ckessel]

Problem is, this doesn't match the SSH example at all.

In the SSH example you've got:
a) a big pot (key)
b) 2nd pair and an overcard (you've got 2nd pair and undercard)
c) No flush draw and no quality straight draws (your board has both)
d) the hero has a back door flush draw (you don't)

Your board is an an example of when to bail, not when to push [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] More seriously though, if you thought the examples matched then something hasn't gelled yet in you on when to push and you probably want to re-read those sections.

[axioma]

yuck.

[Kluddeludde]

I think the pot is too small to try this move here. Just dump it on the flop.

Kludde

[bergh]

I'm sorry, but I find all streets terrible (not including the pre-flop check which is fine)! I would say other players calling down with weak mid-pairs is the main reason I make money on poker.

The pot is way to small to fight for - just check/fold the flop - there are a million ways to lose this hand. Just folding is the cheapest.

When your bad move at the flop fails you are behind 95% of the time. Even if you hit the jack you might lose to a flush or a better jack and hitting the seven might give somone a straight, so you don't have odds to see the river.

The river call is probably the least bad move. You can hope to split the pot with JT or J2 or maybe catch a busted draw, but I doubt it's worth 1:10.

The big differences from page 96 are:
* The pot is much bigger. (the biggest difference)
* The raiser is a pre-flop raiser who is likely to bet just overcards.
* The flop is uncoordinated, so the other are likely to fold.
* The unpaired card is a high card, so there is a chance you dominate the raiser.

[Schizo]

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Problem is, this doesn't match the SSH example at all.

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The SSH example I'm thinking of is raised on the turn. Where is this in the book?

[gaming_mouse]

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Problem is, this doesn't match the SSH example at all.

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The SSH example I'm thinking of is raised on the turn. Where is this in the book?

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Read the OP, boy. Pg. 96. As has already been pointed out, though, there are plenty of important differences between this hand and that one, and I should have folded the flop here.

Perhaps a better title would have been: "SSH Advice Misinterpreted by GM"

[mr pink]

i believe he means draw heavy or coordinated

[Michael Davis]

"i believe he means draw heavy or coordinated"

Yeah, sorry. I meant that Party Poker rigs their flops to put lots of draws out.

-Michael

[oreogod]

Ditto:

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Problem is, this doesn't match the SSH example at all.

a) a big pot (key)
b) 2nd pair and an overcard (you've got 2nd pair and undercard)
c) No flush draw and no quality straight draws (your board has both)
d) the hero has a back door flush draw (you don't)

Your board is an an example of when to bail, not when to push [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] More seriously though, if you thought the examples matched then something hasn't gelled yet in you on when to push and you probably want to re-read those sections.

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And ditto again:
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I'm sorry, but I find all streets terrible (not including the pre-flop check which is fine)! I would say other players calling down with weak mid-pairs is the main reason I make money on poker.

The pot is way to small to fight for - just check/fold the flop - there are a million ways to lose this hand. Just folding is the cheapest.

When your bad move at the flop fails you are behind 95% of the time. Even if you hit the jack you might lose to a flush or a better jack and hitting the seven might give somone a straight, so you don't have odds to see the river.

The river call is probably the least bad move. You can hope to split the pot with JT or J2 or maybe catch a busted draw, but I doubt it's worth 1:10.

The big differences from page 96 are:
* The pot is much bigger. (the biggest difference)
* The raiser is a pre-flop raiser who is likely to bet just overcards.
* The flop is uncoordinated, so the other are likely to fold.
* The unpaired card is a high card, so there is a chance you dominate the raiser.

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Another thing, your hand, u have one clean out to a jack, two pair will probably be no good, your BD flush is probably dominated, you will have to dodge a ton of cards if you are already not behind a straight...the pots is uber small...FOLD. At the most Im guessing your hand is worth MAYBE 1.5 outs and even if u hit anything, how much of the time are u going to be ahead?

In the SSH example Hero has about 6.5 outs, board is uncoordinated, not a lot of draws and there is an overcard to the baord in heros hand = much more favorable.

Better title for your post: Dr. Miller or How misunderstanding SSHE I learned to stop raking money and loved to bomb at the poker table.....maybe thats a little harsh...sorry. Seriously though, u dont want new ppl on the board thinking SSHE is no good...u just have to understand the concepts.