Database Highlights Typical Mistakes

[LipBalmGuy]

I noticed something interesting from the following starting hand chart that includes +/- EV for each starting hand combination.

http://teamfu.freeshell.org/poker_hands.html

The chart shows:
<ul type="square">[*]72o as -0.12 BB, but 72s is -0.15 BB. The suited cards lost more money in this case![*]A2o is -0.15 BB, but T2o is -0.12 BB. The ace lost more money than the ten.[*]87o and 83o are both -0.12 BB but 85o is -0.11 BB. Connecting cards did not help here.[/list]I think this reveals how the average ("averaged"?) player makes typical mistakes: <ul type="square">[*]Suited cards are overvalued[*]Big cards (Ace, King) with bad kickers are overvalued[*]Connecting cards are barely overvalued[/list]I'm curious what other people see in the chart or for any other interpretations.

[ArturiusX]

I think its crap.

[Aaron W.]

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I noticed something interesting from the following starting hand chart that includes +/- EV for each starting hand combination.

http://teamfu.freeshell.org/poker_hands.html

The chart shows:
<ul type="square">[*]72o as -0.12 BB, but 72s is -0.15 BB. The suited cards lost more money in this case![*]A2o is -0.15 BB, but T2o is -0.12 BB. The ace lost more money than the ten.[*]87o and 83o are both -0.12 BB but 85o is -0.11 BB. Connecting cards did not help here.[/list]I think this reveals how the average ("averaged"?) player makes typical mistakes: <ul type="square">[*]Suited cards are overvalued[*]Big cards (Ace, King) with bad kickers are overvalued[*]Connecting cards are barely overvalued[/list]I'm curious what other people see in the chart or for any other interpretations.

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The EV stats are for the average pokerroom idiot. If you play like the average pokerroom idiot, follow the chart to your destiny. Otherwise, it's just a nice collection of numbers which have fairly nominal use. It's good for pointing out insightful things such as strong hands make money and that marginal hands are marginal.

[bottomset]

i think its best for showing regardless how dumb and bad you are you will make money with

AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT AK,AQ and a few more

[LipBalmGuy]

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i think its best for showing regardless how dumb and bad you are you will make money with

AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT AK,AQ and a few more

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You guys are missing my point.

My point is NOT: This chart is a good guide on how to play.

My point IS: This chart shows how poor players lose more money with 72s and A2o versus 72o and T2o, even though they are better (err, less inferior) hands.

[topspin]

I remember seeing the figures and thinking something similar before. If you look at the small pocket pairs, you'll notice that the average player is a loser with those too, usually from going too far with them. It's a neat validation of qualitative observations.