I suck and I'm a pussy (and I'm an idiot)

[CallMeIshmael]

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By the way. Was the flop bet bad here?

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no.

EDIT: I was eating a hot dog while writing that reply. Let me elaborate.

- You are in the lead
- That flop hit like 0.3% of all their unpaired hands
- You have a 31/31/7 who DIDNT cap preflop (pair = unlikely)
- You have a calling station who called preflop
- There is a good chance you have the best hand
- If you dont, you have like massive outs
- All worse aces will call you down

[Soviet Exile]

I agree; it's a bad fold. Given how passively you played the hand, and the fact that he's at 41%, the button could have quite a range of hands. What are his cold calling standards? What did you think think he had? For christ sake, he could have A8s. If he's this passive, would he play QJ this way?

What did he turn over? There must be a reason for you to post this.

[jason_t]

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I agree; it's a bad fold. Given how passively you played the hand, and the fact that he's at 41%, the button could have quite a range of hands. What are his cold calling standards? What did you think think he had? For christ sake, he could have A8s. If he's this passive, would he play QJ this way?

What did he turn over? There must be a reason for you to post this.

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I posted this because I wasn't sure about the flop bet nor was I sure about how I played the turn. No one can convince me that the river fold was incorrect.

pseudo-quote: If someone pulls out a gun and points it at my cock telling me to call, I MIGHT consider folding as an option.

[CallMeIshmael]

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You suck. Raise the turn you pussy. Die you idiot.

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You seem to have rage issues.

[private joker]

The river fold is the easiest part of the hand. Preflop 3-bet is standard given your read (there are times I fold this, and I never cold-call it).

Even with the Button's donkish stats, his cold-calling of 3 bets is kind of scary. He's not a maniac, but he has a hand he thinks could be best.

I like the flop bet after maniac checks. It could get a reaction out of button, and you can't always expect a check raise. But a check on the flop wouldn't be awful at all.

As for the turn, once button is sticking around, you have to wonder what he has. But since he hasn't shown any aggression (he never does), you might have to just raise for value with your TPTK. That will help you see once and for all where you are. But I don't know how I feel about getting 3-bet on the turn by maniac. It's a tough street.

River blows but you have to call the first bet and fold to the raise.

[jason_t]

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You suck. Raise the turn you pussy. Die you idiot.

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You seem to have rage issues.

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Yeah. What is going on?

[kslghost]

I think a river call is quite necessary here. While its possible that you are beat, you do have top pair top kicker in the end with over 16 big bets in the pot. Let's say you are presented this situation 16 times. You only have to be right once to be profitable. Given their stats, I think you do have that opportunity.

However, I don't believe this situation should ever have occured. First, I like the three bet on UTG+1 because he raises so many. Even the button calling doesn't look that bad to you because he chronically calls on way too many hands without ever raising.

The flop is not horrible for you. You're being offered good odds to call, and the bet is appropriate. I would not be surprised if either one was ahead at this point, but you must call the raise at this point because of the number of outs combined with the way that UTG+1 plays. He has raised so often that you can't respect him at this point.

The turn call, I believe, is the biggest mistake you made. You got the best possible card on the turn for your particular hand. If you get reraised, you may be able to dump the hand, but not raising gives you no information. You have to raise to at least get an idea to where you are.

That's what I think about the hand...

To be realistic, it's an unfortunate situation in any case. Good luck!

[Turtle]

Interesting hand.

For what it's worth, I question the fold on the river too.

The passive button may be making a play on the over aggressive MP1. Just because he's super loose doesn't mean he's too dumb to notice MP1 betting at every opportunity.

I guess the other question I have is whether you'd make the same decision if you just sat down at the table and didn't have any reads. I'm not letting 100 hands on P-tracker talk me out of a 15BB hand for one bet more.

I'm betting MP1 showed KQs or QJs.

I am eager to be shown I am wrong, however.

Regards.

-jeff

[rmarotti]

I will always [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] you, jason. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] That gimmick account is pretty funny though. I like the flop bet because I think you might well have the best hand given that guys stats. It also could help put you in the drivers seat, though that raise is a bit disheartening. BTW, I'm going to be in SoCal twice in the next couple months. Commerce trip?

[private joker]

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BTW, I'm going to be in SoCal twice in the next couple months. Commerce trip?

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Game on.