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Old 04-12-2005, 05:06 PM
casinogosain casinogosain is offline
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Default I make my hand and *he* caps the turn.

Second hand at the table, first hand everybody folded to my BB with AQo. No reads.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

River: (14.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ?

I tend to alternate between leading the flop and check/raising it. I felt pretty comfortable that it wouldn't get checked around. Thoughts?

More importantly, with the board paired and the turn capped, lead the river or check/call? (And if you lead, do you fold to a raise here?)

-Ash
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Old 04-12-2005, 05:17 PM
Klepton Klepton is offline
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Default Re: I make my hand and *he* caps the turn.

i'm more inclined to bet and call a raise

because you have no reads, this play could be made with AA [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], and i would hate a check behind

also with no reads, he sounds like a donk
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Old 04-12-2005, 05:38 PM
meep_42 meep_42 is offline
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Default Re: I make my hand and *he* caps the turn.

Isn't this an easy pf fold with only 1 limper?

I like betting and calling a raise, but 88 isn't out of the realm of possibilities for BB's hand. I just don't think he's got that or the nut flush enough not to bet out.

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Old 04-12-2005, 05:51 PM
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Default Re: I make my hand and *he* caps the turn.

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Isn't this an easy pf fold with only 1 limper?



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Yes.
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Old 04-12-2005, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: I make my hand and *he* caps the turn.

Fold preflop out of the small with only one limper.

On the end, I bet and call a raise. He's played it like he has a big pair like maybe AA, poss. with the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. If he has 8's full, that's life, but I doubt he plays it that fast.

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Old 04-12-2005, 05:57 PM
SeaEagle SeaEagle is offline
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Default Re: I make my hand and *he* caps the turn.

Check/call the river. If he doesn't have you beat then you'll make back the bet you lost and way more just because this guy is sitting on your immediate right.

I generally play 10/20 and even there a turn cap almost always means more than an over pair. With his betting and this board, the only thing I'd think I'd be beating is a smaller flush.

As for your 2nd question: If you do lead, how can you fold to a raise? There's virtually no hand that beat you on the river, so if you're going to fold to a raise here, you might as well have folded to the turn cap.
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Old 04-14-2005, 01:04 PM
casinogosain casinogosain is offline
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I led the river and he called, showing T7o. MHIG.

In retrospect, I guess I didn't give him enough credit preflop in light of the fact that he raised with a limper in front of him. I'm too loose.

-Ash
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Old 04-14-2005, 02:01 PM
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Default Re: I make my hand and *he* caps the turn.

Fold preflop.

I question you leading into or check-raising the flop. I think it's alright here, since it likely missed a lot of people. But I would guess that you routinely bet draws like this out of position. If one or two cards are in the playing zone, that's a bad idea. You won't have the best hand, and betting into two players is not a value bet.

Again, I think it's fine here, due to the fact that it probably missed them. Just keep in mind that if you want to bet your draws, you want them to be true value bets - make sure there are at least 4 people who will call you.
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Old 04-14-2005, 02:18 PM
Yodaman Yodaman is offline
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Default Re: I make my hand and *he* caps the turn.

As stated by others, fold preflop
Otherwise I think your play on flop and the turn is standard. If he does have overs since he did preflop raise he'd be hard pressed to call on the turn on an overpair draw if he doesnt hit on the turn and you'd take the pot down, and you could still hit your flush on the river.

Lead the river call a raise.
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Old 04-14-2005, 03:38 PM
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Default Re: I make my hand and *he* caps the turn.

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Just keep in mind that if you want to bet your draws, you want them to be true value bets - make sure there are at least 4 people who will call you.

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For a flush draw on the flop, you only need 2 callers, no? Or do we need more callers since the board is paired?

In this hand, I see no reason for the check raise (you don't want to knock out an opponent), but opening the betting would seem reasonable into 2 possible callers.
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