Kems vs Copags (AGAIN?? Yes again)

[tantan]

that's my point; I've seen other plastic cards on TV, I have yet to see Copags.

[TheCroShow]

the argument "would you buy no name coke over real coke cuz it's cheaper" is useless because copags are on par in terms of quality. cheap coke usually tastes lousy compared to the real deal, that argument has been debunked.

the thing about Kems is that you are paying for the name. They are awesome and sorry if I implied that the price was too high...if anything Kems are a bargain. The thing that hurts Kem right now is their replacement policy...is it in place? doubtful.

you cannot go wrong either way, copags are great, kems are great...can't we all just get along?

[tantan]

I agree, you can't go wrong with either, but my question hasn't been answered yet. How come major tournaments are not using Copags? Especially if they are the same or better than Kem and cheaper? Even other plastic cards have been featured on TV; I have never seen Copags though

[TheCroShow]

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I agree, you can't go wrong with either, but my question hasn't been answered yet. How come major tournaments are not using Copags? Especially if they are the same or better than Kem and cheaper? Even other plastic cards have been featured on TV; I have never seen Copags though

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because Kems are a staple. if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. maybe they have a contract?

[warewulf]

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I agree, you can't go wrong with either, but my question hasn't been answered yet. How come major tournaments are not using Copags? Especially if they are the same or better than Kem and cheaper? Even other plastic cards have been featured on TV; I have never seen Copags though

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It's because Copag is relatively new to the US market. There are not that many back designs yet. Casinos wouldn't use them unless they can get their own back. If Copag wants to compete, they definitely need more designs.

[ky70]

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I agree, you can't go wrong with either, but my question hasn't been answered yet. How come major tournaments are not using Copags? Especially if they are the same or better than Kem and cheaper? Even other plastic cards have been featured on TV; I have never seen Copags though

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I actually thought that I saw Copag's used on one of the final episodes of Tilt but I never mentioned it on any of the forums becuase it means nothing to me. The reason that this info is irrelevant is because I have personal experience with these cards. I may listen to Roger Ebert's opinion on what the better movie is if I haven't seen the movies myself, BUT once I've actually seen the movies and can judge myself, Mr. Ebert's opinion becomes useless to me. Kem being the standard barrer and having the great reputation is what led me to buy the cards, and though they are no doubt very good quality cards, they do not have the texture of the these specific Copag's:
http://www.chessset.com/copagsignature.html

Now I recieved the Copag Master Elite series yesterday and my theory about these being as good as the signature's was WRONG. These cards feel like Copag 1546's and I agree that the Kem's feel like a better quality card than both of these...and if every Copag card (outside of the signature design) feels like this than generally speaking, I would prefer Kem too. I'm looking to sell my 2 decks of Copag's (1546s and Masters) as they will probably never see the table at my poker game as I would use my Signature Copag's, Paisley Kem's and Dal Negro Freedom's all before these cards.

tantan, how about you try out the specific Copag's that I mention (since this experiment would only cost you $15) and let me know what you think...sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who has ever played with this particular deck as I never hear any other feedback on them...and maybe that's why they were discontinued.

Copag fans: 2 sets (4 decks) of never played Copag's (1546's and Master's) I will sale for $23 including shipping. Separately, I'll sale each set for $12 each. The 1546's have been shuffled approx. 10 times and the Master's (I just received yesterday) have never even been shuffled. Both decks are in Brand new condition. PM me if interested. Links to cards below

http://www.chessset.com/copag1.html
http://www.chessset.com/copagelite.html

[Slacker]

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My question is if Kem and Copag cards are similar in terms of quality or if Copag is better, why don't major tournaments use them? Why have I not seen Copags on TV? I have even seen other plastic cards on TV (with the clear majority being KEM) but never Copag

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Not sure about the TV thing, but from what I've read, the Copags are the standard casino cards outside the US.

[Fins]

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Now I recieved the Copag Master Elite series yesterday and my theory about these being as good as the signature's was WRONG. These cards feel like Copag 1546's and I agree that the Kem's feel like a better quality card than both of these...

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Same here... my 1546's = Masters = "Export" and I agree with your Kems commment. That aside my Kems are bridge so I prefer the wide Copags right now. I have some wide Kems but they're the BJ format and the printing is off on alot of them... like it's either too high or too low.

[playersare]

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I agree, you can't go wrong with either, but my question hasn't been answered yet. How come major tournaments are not using Copags? Especially if they are the same or better than Kem and cheaper? Even other plastic cards have been featured on TV; I have never seen Copags though

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I don't think Copag had a premeditated intention to enter the US market, much less start making custom cards for casinos and tournaments. more likely, a couple of enterprising small companies saw an opportunity with the temporary demise of KEM and discovered a inexpensive, quality brand that they could import and try to market in KEM's place. these small mail-order retailers have been advertising to primarily to home gamers and enthusiasts - they have no means to approach an MGM or Trump size conglomerate for a institutional order.

the other plastic brands you've seen dealt on TV and in major cardrooms are either Gemaco 5-star series or A-Plus brand. Harrah's corporation already uses Gemaco Alpha line paper cards for casino blackjack and baccarat, and it's possible that we'll see 5-star as the primary decks used in WSOP prelims at the Rio.

[PanthersHUTCH15]

ky70..

Do you have super index signature style cards?? I can't find regular index, bridge size anywhere.