Calling low PP 3 bets cold preflop

Yodaman · #1 04-13-2005, 10:38 AM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises, UTG+1 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero calls, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (9.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

I've heard it said both ways, but not sure for 3 bets cold.
Also did I make enough from this pot to get the correct implied odds I wash hoping to get?

Elbie · #2 04-13-2005, 10:46 AM

After an UTG raise and an UTG1 3-bet small pocket pairs are turbofolds for me.

PokerBob · #3 04-13-2005, 10:48 AM

I hate the pf call.

MoreWineII · #4 04-13-2005, 10:52 AM

You need more cold-callers in front of you to make this call.

crunchy1 · #5 04-13-2005, 10:58 AM

As others have said: PF call sucks.

What hasn't been said is that the flop raise also sucks.

prayformojo · #6 04-13-2005, 11:01 AM

With two early position raisers, you're probably not going to win this without a showdown, which means catching a set or nothing. If you hit your set, you're only going to get the kind of action you want from, if you're lucky, two pair, or if unlucky, a bigger set. If you know one or both of the raisers to be very aggressive post-flop, you might get action from a big pair even when you hit back. With only two players in, and without a specific read (maniacs would be nice in this pot), I don't think this call is profitable.

It's pretty obvious that in this particular hand you didn't get the postflop action you need to make this call profitable. You're getting 5:3 on your pre-flop call, with UTG certain to call the three-bet, so 6:3 or 2:1. You made 3 BB post-flop, or 6 SB, making your total gain on your pre-flop call 12:3 or 4:1. Being purely results oriented, you won't make your set one in five times, so if this hand plays out exactly as is a million times, except that you fold on the flop when you don't make your set, you'll lose money.

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Elbie · #9 04-13-2005, 11:04 AM

As you did call preflop I think that a better play is to smooth-call the flop and raise the turn.

Yodaman · #10 04-13-2005, 11:06 AM

I was considering that but I wanted to induce action, If there one of the 2 players did have an over pair it would be 3-bet on flop in which I can just call and raise the turn.

My standard play though is as stated.