Flush draw against a maniac

trentcroad · #1 04-12-2005, 03:29 AM

Is this hand ok?
MP2 is a maniac and Im wondering if I should really bet into him.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, CO folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9 B

bernie · #2 04-12-2005, 03:54 AM

If he's a true maniac, you call the river with A high.

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Shillx · #3 04-12-2005, 03:57 AM

Against a typical player I would not like a flop bet (since a typical player would only raise a better hand). But against a maniac, a flop bet looks okay since he will raise something like Kx or Qx on the flop. When it gets down to HU, you HAVE to call the river since he can have just about anything.

Brad

Bob T. · #4 04-12-2005, 03:59 AM

It depends, by betting into him, you might clean up your Ace outs, but if you wanted to get the best odds on your flush draw, you might try and checkraise the flop instead.

As bernie said, if its headsup, and he is a true maniac, you are calling with Ace high.

bernie · #5 04-12-2005, 04:01 AM

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but if you wanted to get the best odds on your flush draw, you might try and checkraise the flop instead.

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You may get people to fold if he 3 bets you on the flop, or when you bet out on the turn.

I think betting into him is an ok line too. It can help make your lone A hold up.

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Bob T. · #6 04-12-2005, 04:03 AM

I agree, either line is ok, but you just want to think about how you are approaching the hand before you decide whether to bet out or checkraise.

trentcroad · #7 04-12-2005, 04:14 AM

Thanks for the good feedback guys.
Really helped.
Good to know I had similar thinking, well except for the river.
Cheers

orionfett · #8 04-12-2005, 04:16 AM

I don't like betting in to him, because he is likely to raise you and make it heads up or make you have to call to bets cold on the turn or the flop if someone in between has a monster. If you get it heads up you cant have him dominated and if your not beat hes easily drawing to a better hand. I like to check flop and possibly raising if you trap 2 players in between or just check call your draw. I would also pobbile bet into him on the turn after a check call if i think hes weak and that i want to isolate him.

bernie · #9 04-12-2005, 05:13 AM

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I don't like betting in to him, because he is likely to raise you and make it heads up

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This is a bad thing against a maniac?

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or make you have to call to bets cold on the turn or the flop if someone in between has a monster.

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If you check, couldn't this also happen?

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I would also pobbile bet into him on the turn after a check call if i think hes weak and that i want to isolate him

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Didn't you just use this reason above for 'not' betting into him on the flop?

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