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Old 04-08-2005, 12:01 AM
colehard colehard is offline
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Default Re: Bad Beat or unneccesary risk?

And on the flop he is nearly even money.

No doubt about the bad pf call though. I had someone at one of my tables tonight who said QTs was the winningest hand. Perhaps it was the same person.
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Old 04-08-2005, 12:14 AM
U235 U235 is offline
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Default Re: Bad Beat or unneccesary risk?

I liked the pre-flop call, as long as he was the 4th or 5th in, and knows enough to get away from the flop when necessary. If everyone else hates it this much though, I suppose I need to rethink.

At the very least, I don't think it was too wrong of a call.
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Old 04-08-2005, 01:28 AM
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Default Re: Bad Beat or unneccesary risk?

You didn't mention anything about who was in what position. If I had a suited connector I would call a raise if I was in late position or last to call and the chances of a re-raise was unlikely. For all I know QT was in the BB and only had to call 2xBB more, obviously these are good pot odds, not to mention the implied odds if he hit against you and you dump your money to him. Again I don't know position, so maybe he was second to call on the flop (not to mention he still had 12 outs), so he still had good pot odds to call.

Now I don't mean what you did was wrong since there is nothing wrong with encouraging action with AA... But then again a 5 way pot makes the odds to a suck out more likely. Besides that it was a semi-bad beat, how were you to know he had 12 then 10 outs on the turn. He was practically pot committed on the turn especially since he didn't know he was up against a set.

I could figure though, maybe a 3/2 the pot or 2x the pot bet would be better against a 5 way pot and a flush draw on the board. Consider the likelihood of someone holding a flush + straight draw more likely. A larger bet would be required to make it improper for them to call... Of course this bad beat would probably have still happened.
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Old 04-08-2005, 04:55 PM
AceRat138 AceRat138 is offline
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Default Re: Bad Beat or unneccesary risk?

I like the idea of betting more on the flop with so many people to give incorrect calling odds for the flush.

As far as position goes, the villian that ended up winning the pot was the first person in after my pre-flop bet. In my oppinion the only position at the table where it might have been okay to call (remember it was only level 2 of the tourney 15-30 blinds) would have been the button. I think any other position, you would be a fool to call the preflop bet with this hand.
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