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04-07-2005, 04:05 PM
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Mark of a Top Player
Is there any opinions/consensus on what the mark of a top level MTT, NLH player is in regard to percentage of times cashing and making final tables? The game is similar to many in that it is so difficult to win, you many times need to judge performance by how well one performs on average, much like the number of top 10 finishes in golf or the Nascar points system. With that in mind where is the cutoff to be considered good/great at NLH MTT. For example, is it 25% cash, 10% final table? Or something more or less?
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04-07-2005, 05:47 PM
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Re: Mark of a Top Player
Hard to say... i mean, i'd rather win 1 50,000 prize and never cash again than take like 15 firsts for 3K a piece...
the 2nd guy might be better, but the first guy is richer. It's all about the Benjamens, baby.
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04-07-2005, 06:13 PM
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Re: Mark of a Top Player
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Hard to say... i mean, i'd rather win 1 50,000 prize and never cash again than take like 15 firsts for 3K a piece... the 2nd guy might be better, but the first guy is richer. [/ QUOTE ] not if you never cash again...unless you mean never play again. otherwise you can run through that 150K fairly quickly in tourney fees...
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04-07-2005, 07:02 PM
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Re: Mark of a Top Player
The way I have been told, it's more about ROI (return on investment) then it is number of ITM/Final tables.
Maybe someone with more experience here can confirm or counter, but I believe the pro's look to profit the amount of their buy-in...on average.
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04-07-2005, 07:40 PM
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Re: Mark of a Top Player
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The way I have been told, it's more about ROI (return on investment) then it is number of ITM/Final tables. Maybe someone with more experience here can confirm or counter, but I believe the pro's look to profit the amount of their buy-in...on average. [/ QUOTE ] Yes. As for a good ROI... This thread shows up about once a week. It seems to be accepted that 2X buy-in or 100% is a good ROI. For SNGs it is like 1.3X OR 20-30%. Of course, the problem is it is impossible to ever figure out what your MTT ROI is - You'd have to play some 15,000 tourneys (and once you did, you would, in theory, be better than when you started, so you still haven't found your current ROI). It is best not to think about these things. CSC
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#6
04-08-2005, 11:13 AM
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Re: Mark of a Top Player
It's all about ROI in my book.
If you are a break even to +50% ROI, you are good. 50%-150% ROI you are very good. > 150% ROI you are great. I'm defining ROI as (Cashes - Entries)/Entries, so if over 100 tournies your total entry fees were $10,000 and your total cashes were $15,000, your ROI would be 50%.
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04-08-2005, 12:20 PM
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Re: Mark of a Top Player
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It's all about ROI in my book. [/ QUOTE ] I agree, after I made some big adjustments to my play based on advise I got here my ITM% went down by quite a bit, but my ROI went throught he roof (not that my sample size is big enough to make this generalization).
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04-08-2005, 03:32 PM
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Re: Mark of a Top Player
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I'm defining ROI as (Cashes - Entries)/Entries, so if over 100 tournies your total entry fees were $10,000 and your total cashes were $15,000, your ROI would be 50%. [/ QUOTE ] You have to include rake as part of the entry fees, right?
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04-08-2005, 03:36 PM
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Re: Mark of a Top Player
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[ QUOTE ] I'm defining ROI as (Cashes - Entries)/Entries, so if over 100 tournies your total entry fees were $10,000 and your total cashes were $15,000, your ROI would be 50%. [/ QUOTE ] You have to include rake as part of the entry fees, right? [/ QUOTE ] Yes.
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