stuck AA in the middle

keikiwai · #1 04-07-2005, 04:32 PM

The table is relatively loose. More than 4 people in each flop generally. But here's the weird part and the P/A part. Every now and then it'll fold to the blinds, and every now and then people will raise and raise w/ 5 people in the pot. In other words more or less of an either really passive all the way around or really aggressive all the way around w/ no rhyme or reason to that I could figure out. No specific reads on players, relatively new to the table, and I just couldn't figure out how these guys were playing.

The reason I played aggressively on the flop was the pf raise and BB fold which had me thinking no one had a part of the flop.

If I were to continue this logic I guess I should have played the rest of the hand aggressively, but I was stuck in the middle and thought re-raise would be spewing chips, but I wasn't willing to lay it down. ???

How would you have played it?

What would you put these card weilding mOOnkeys on?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, MP3 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (13.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls, UTG 3-bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

River: (22.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls, UTG 3-bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 31.50 BB

bigalt · #2 04-07-2005, 04:35 PM

my line would be fold to the two bets on the turn, putting UTG on a set or straight, and then cry when it turns out I was up against KK and QQ.

Then I'll cap every street the next few hands no matter which two I have.

KaiShin · #3 04-07-2005, 04:37 PM

I would have led this turn. If its raised behind me I'll go into call down mode. If it comes back 2 BB to me I think its safe to say you're up against a set, and you can fold it up then.

I'd probably put MP3 on QQ/KK, and UTG on 77, 55, 33. Seems odd that MP3 wouldn't cap preflop, but is going gonzo with nothing but an overpair here.

keikiwai · #4 04-07-2005, 04:38 PM

A set I can see, but a straight?
Even these fish will rarely play 46 even sOOted UTG... What do you put UTG on for the straight?

bigalt · #5 04-07-2005, 04:41 PM

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A set I can see, but a straight?
Even these fish will rarely play 46 even sOOted UTG... What do you put UTG on for the straight?

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I put in the straight as an afterthought. I suppose it depends on your read on UTG, but I definitely have seen some play 46 s00ted. But you're right, it's very unlikely.

bschlief · #6 04-07-2005, 04:49 PM

I'm not sure what they had... but what was the reasoning for the turn check after the flop cap? I lead that turn and slow down after a raise.

bigalt · #7 04-07-2005, 04:51 PM

i agree with a turn bet, but what do you do when it comes back to you facing 2 bets?

you have to believe a set at that point...?

davelin · #8 04-07-2005, 04:53 PM

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i agree with a turn bet, but what do you do when it comes back to you facing 2 bets?

you have to believe a set at that point...?

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Read on UTG? MP3 doesn't have a set.

keikiwai · #9 04-07-2005, 04:56 PM

Looking back on it. I see the point about leading out on the turn.

My reasoning at the time was that I did not want to fold this hand. I felt that if I led the turn it would come back to me 2BB, and then I would be inclined to fold. I checked to see what would happen...

not really the best poker, looking back on it now... ESPECIALLY, since I CALLED after it came back to me 2BB after CHECKING.....

YES ty all who suggested leading out on the turn...

keikiwai · #10 04-07-2005, 04:58 PM

YUP looking back on it I think you're right... will post results a little later...