too aggro with second pair

cockandbull · #1 04-07-2005, 01:51 PM

i'm not sure i'm getting these right, whats the general feeling? I've been at the tabel 30 hands...

utg is an 80/30/0.6
co's around 30/11/1.3

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, Button calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG calls.

River: (9.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

BigEndian · #2 04-07-2005, 01:53 PM

Looks good to me if you're going to play it past the flop (given how passive UTG is).

- Jim

shark6 · #3 04-07-2005, 02:03 PM

I see a passive player leading into the PFR on the flop. I think that means top pair and weak kicker (JT at best) or mid pocket pair, trying to see if you’re on overcards.

If you are going to play-on, I like the raise to knock out Button (unfortunately it didn’t work) or make him call unprofitably.

Turn bet, I like.

River check good, since you aren’t folding a better hand or getting called by a worse one.

PokerBob · #4 04-07-2005, 03:16 PM

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i'm not sure i'm getting these right, whats the general feeling? I've been at the tabel 30 hands...

utg is an 80/30/0.6
co's around 30/11/1.3

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, Button calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG calls.

River: (9.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

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UTG has an agression of 0.6, yet he bet into the pf raiser on the flop. He has a jack.

Todd · #5 04-07-2005, 03:17 PM

Do you think that you can get a J to fold by representing AQ when the Q comes on the flop? I would not normally do this with 2 opponents at the table, though.

T

Todd · #6 04-07-2005, 03:19 PM

Bob, 80/30/0.6

are VP$IP/??/Raising%

What is the middle figure?

Thanks,

Todd

PokerBob · #7 04-07-2005, 03:20 PM

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Bob, 80/30/0.6

are VP$IP/??/Raising%

What is the middle figure?

Thanks,

Todd

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I am assuming it is vpip/pfr/aggression

Todd · #8 04-07-2005, 03:24 PM

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Bob, 80/30/0.6

are VP$IP/??/Raising%

What is the middle figure?

Thanks,

Todd

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I am assuming it is vpip/pfr/aggression

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That makes sense, but I figured that with 30% pfr his agro would be much higher (assuming that 0.6 is low)

T

PokerBob · #9 04-07-2005, 03:26 PM

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Bob, 80/30/0.6

are VP$IP/??/Raising%

What is the middle figure?

Thanks,

Todd

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I am assuming it is vpip/pfr/aggression

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That makes sense, but I figured that with 30% pfr his agro would be much higher (assuming that 0.6 is low)

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That would be consistent with humans, but this guy is clearly a donk.

cassady · #10 04-07-2005, 03:27 PM

If UTG is 0.6 for agression, leading out on the flop indicates a jack to me. The pot isn't big enough to justify the raise with middle pair here. I'd have just let it go.