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Old 04-05-2005, 08:18 AM
mr magoo mr magoo is offline
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why not check raise or bet out the the turn? [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Old 04-05-2005, 09:09 AM
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Okay I put him on 99-QQ, lower for some reason, most likely his river action gave me 99. Throughout the hand, I put him on a pair that didnt touch the flop or turn (I dont think he has jacks). Pop up the turn. He bets/raises I say re-raise. I firmly believe especially with the A helping u, u are ahead. He might even fold beliving his low pair is beat.

If he had 99 he sucked out with a set. Pop the turn, maybe ppl will disagree, but Im going with a read that u are ahead. And yes, fold to a bet on the flop without the backdoor flush out there.

EDIT: Just saw results. Haha, he did have 99. Pop the turn, he might have folded.

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check/call on the turn is standard.

don't be results oriented.
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Old 04-05-2005, 09:27 AM
CallMeIshmael CallMeIshmael is offline
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Okay I put him on 99-QQ, lower for some reason, most likely his river action gave me 99. Throughout the hand, I put him on a pair that didnt touch the flop or turn (I dont think he has jacks). Pop up the turn. He bets/raises I say re-raise. I firmly believe especially with the A helping u, u are ahead. He might even fold beliving his low pair is beat.

If he had 99 he sucked out with a set. Pop the turn, maybe ppl will disagree, but Im going with a read that u are ahead. And yes, fold to a bet on the flop without the backdoor flush out there.

EDIT: Just saw results. Haha, he did have 99. Pop the turn, he might have folded.

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Buy the "Theory of Poker" by David Sklansky. You dont understand the FTOP.
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Old 04-05-2005, 09:27 AM
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Your goal is to win money, not pots. You don't want him folding a 2-outer on the turn.

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Old 04-05-2005, 10:27 AM
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I check-fold flop
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Old 04-05-2005, 10:37 AM
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I check-fold flop

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Hand- combos, outs
AA- 3, 1.5
KK- 6, 4.5
QQ- 3, 4.5
JJ- 3, 1 (discount 1/3 of backdoor clubs)
TT- 6, 7.5
99 (I'm discounting by half since he won't always 3-bet 99)- 3, 7.5
AK- 12, 4.5
AQ (same as for 99)- 4.5, 8 (see below)

for AQ, let's say you'll check fold the turn unless it's a club, A, or Q. that means you have 4 outs to chop by the turn, plus another 9 clubs (10 minus the Qc) to chop because he'll check through the river. so you have 13 outs to a chop, or 6.5 effective outs. then you have 1.5 outs for a flush, so 8 outs


4.85 outs

it's close. I don't know how to downgrade that for reverse implied odds, but every time you hit an A or a Q against AK, JJ, QQ (just a Q), AA, or KK, you're getting raised
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