This time I'm the trapped fish

[Nick C]

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but as has been said the outs aren't clean.

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While I wouldn't fold on the flop no matter what the action was, I wouldn't raise either, and I do agree that it's not the best OESD in the world.

[DeeJ]

I don't like the flop raise and would rate a call better.

Preflop I was tempted to fold but getting 5:1 I think it's a close EV call but closing the betting it's worth seeing a flop I think.

[bakku]

flop raise no good, turn fold no good..anyone raise PF?

[chesspain]

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flop raise no good, turn fold no good..anyone raise PF?

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Yes, yes,...no.

[27offsooot]

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flop raise no good, turn fold no good..anyone raise PF?

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If I posted in the CO and it folded to me, of course I'd raise. I don't really know why he posted in MP2 though. I don't raise it from here if by accident, I did post.

To add to the chorus: call the flop and don't fold the turn.

[runa]

I would raise it PF if they were sooooted...j/k

Given your position and the players involved I don't like the flop raise, and while there's a chance some of your 8 outs ar dirty, I think you definitely have to call the turn.