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Old 03-31-2005, 11:14 AM
Sporky Sporky is offline
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Default Re: I\'m still in the kiddie pool but I made some moves. (77 LP)

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I would raise in that spot after 2 limpers with 77, I'd limp with 66.

I raise the flop.

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same.
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Old 03-31-2005, 11:44 AM
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Default Re: I\'m still in the kiddie pool but I made some moves. (77 LP)

I go as low as 44 (obviously not all the time) 33 and 22 can be real problem hands for me sometimes- but i like taking control of the hand.

Secondly i wait till the turn to raise here a lot of the time, and sometimes i just call down, auto raising the flop is a good way for someone to sqeeze a extra bet out of you if they flopped trips- but if you wait till the turn they often are scared of their kicker (its gonna suck cause they limped) and you can determine what to do on the river.
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Old 03-31-2005, 12:09 PM
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Default Re: I\'m still in the kiddie pool but I made some moves. (77 LP)

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I go as low as 44 (obviously not all the time) 33 and 22 can be real problem hands for me sometimes- but i like taking control of the hand.

Secondly i wait till the turn to raise here a lot of the time, and sometimes i just call down, auto raising the flop is a good way for someone to sqeeze a extra bet out of you if they flopped trips- but if you wait till the turn they often are scared of their kicker (its gonna suck cause they limped) and you can determine what to do on the river.

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Interesting play. I'll try it.

Common Situation:
Say he's making a pure bluff into you on the flop, but has 6 overcard outs against you, do you want to end this hand as quickly as possible?

I'm not sure I'd raise the flop against a LAG though, because he's more likely to raise you and put you in a tough spot (make an incorrect fold). He could easily do this as a bluff.
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Old 03-31-2005, 12:17 PM
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Default Re: I\'m still in the kiddie pool but I made some moves. (77 LP)

"Say he's making a pure bluff into you on the flop, but has 6 overcard outs against you, do you want to end this hand as quickly as possible?"

I would love to end it as quickly as possible- but you usually don't get players to lay down to a flop raise- they almost always call, and then fold the turn if the don't improve, which means that you need to be betting a lot of turns when you raise the flop, which means you walk into many a turn c/r. The turn raise however will knock players out quite often, and allows you to check behind on the river cause there ain't any more free cards to come.
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Old 03-31-2005, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: I\'m still in the kiddie pool but I made some moves. (77 LP)

What happened with the CO? Did he call or fold?
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Old 03-31-2005, 02:17 PM
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Default Re: I\'m still in the kiddie pool but I made some moves. (77 LP)

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What happened with the CO? Did he call or fold?

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He folded to my preflop raise after limping. It's in there you just glanced past it.
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Old 03-31-2005, 02:22 PM
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Default Re: I\'m still in the kiddie pool but I made some moves. (77 LP)

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"Say he's making a pure bluff into you on the flop, but has 6 overcard outs against you, do you want to end this hand as quickly as possible?"

I would love to end it as quickly as possible- but you usually don't get players to lay down to a flop raise- they almost always call, and then fold the turn if the don't improve, which means that you need to be betting a lot of turns when you raise the flop, which means you walk into many a turn c/r. The turn raise however will knock players out quite often, and allows you to check behind on the river cause there ain't any more free cards to come.

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What's your action if you get 3-bet on the turn? And how does your decision change with your read?
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Old 03-31-2005, 02:37 PM
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Default Re: I\'m still in the kiddie pool but I made some moves. (77 LP)

PF is good, Im not sure abotu standard, some time I limp along sometimes I raise, but there is nothing wrong with raising here.
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