ideas on playing these hands?

PktAcesSoWht · #1 03-30-2005, 07:43 PM

This hand I was very conifdent that Villian did not have the flush on river because his bet was so big. Was the flop play correct for this situation and turn? I thought this player was a bit loose from his earlier play.

Hand 1: Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter
saw flop|saw showdown
Button (t4840)
SB (t2970)
Hero (t4050)
UTG (t1640)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.
Flop: (t400) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t400, SB calls t400.
Turn: (t1200) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.
River: (t1200) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t1000, Hero raises to t3450, SB calls t1370 (All-In).
Final Pot: t7020

Results in white below: 
Hero has 4d 2c (straight, six high).
SB has 3h 3s (three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: Hero wins t7020. 

I am interested in all thoughts on playing this type of hand. I thought that my bets were big enough, but in hindsight were they too small, or is this just one of those situations where Villian doesn't care and would call anything to river?

Hand 2: Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter
saw flop|saw showdown
SB (t2245)
BB (t610)
UTG (t1725)
UTG+1 (t1260)
MP1 (t1475)
MP2 (t1255)
MP3 (t1405)
Hero (t2740)
Button (t785)
Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero calls t50, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: (t150) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t100, SB calls t100, BB folds.
Turn: (t350) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t200, SB calls t200.
River: (t750) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t50, Hero raises to t300, SB calls t250.
Final Pot: t1350
Results in white below: 
SB has Kd Th (straight, king high).
Hero has Qd Jc (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: SB wins t1350. 

Was this too slow of a play? I tried limping with AK, AJ and AQ today to see how my results were, that was why I did what I did.

Hand 3: Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter
saw flop|saw showdown
UTG (t1530)
UTG+1 (t1340)
MP1 (t1790)
MP2 (t1520)
MP3 (t1350)
CO (t1470)
Button (t1300)
Hero (t1720)
BB (t1480)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, 2 folds, O0o<*((((>< calls t20, Hero raises to t40, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, O0o<*((((><: calls t20.
Flop: (t220) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets t40, Button calls t40, Hero calls t40, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t40.
Turn: (t380) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2: bets t40, O0o<*((((>< calls t40, Hero calls t40, MP1 calls t40.
River: (t540) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t220, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, O0o<*((((>< folds.
Final Pot: t760

Roman · #2 03-30-2005, 08:56 PM

Hand 1: Looks ok
Hand 2: I love his blocking bet and flat call on the river with the nuts. Bet sizes fine.
Hand 3: I hate every street. Either get in a substantial raise or just limp preflop. Bet/raise this flop. Bet/raise this turn. Check call river.

bmxreed36 · #3 03-30-2005, 09:06 PM

I agree with Roman on all three. First two looked OK. And I love how the guy didn't reraise the river on the second hand. Must have been worried that you had QQQ in the hole.

The problem with the last hand besides not getting any information about the other hands by betting/raising, you apparently hand the best hand the whole way but didn't charge the draws until the river when they had already missed. Everyone with a gutshot, flush draw or even a pocket pair was getting a decent price to see the turn and river.

Mike Gallo · #4 03-30-2005, 09:09 PM

Hand 1

I do not like the way the hand got played at all.

Hand 2

I do not like the open limp.

I stopped reading.

Post one hand at a time.

Roman · #5 03-30-2005, 09:18 PM

didnt see the open limp, yea I dont like it either...

PktAcesSoWht · #6 04-01-2005, 12:22 AM

On the AK hand I wanted to try a different approach. The reason I min raised was because I knew everyone of them would call it, and they all did. I thought I had the best hand on the flop with TPTK and the nut flush draw. Since it was raised in front of me I figured I would just call and hope everyone else would too to build a big pot. Is this totally bad?

I was a not to worried about the board pairing because I didn't think that someone was hanging around with a pair of 4s, and it was not costing much to keep going.

At level 1 betting I thought that all the limpers would fold if I raised too much with this hand. As it was I won a 760 pot, which is pretty significant level 1.

I suppose I could have lost out to someone with KQ or QJ if the appropriate card hit for them on the turn or river as long as it was not a Heart. So was this really that bad of a play considering it was early in the tourney? It looked like I would have the best of it a great deal of the time with this hand as the flop came down.

Crooked Paul · #7 04-01-2005, 01:32 AM

On the AKs hand: I agree with other posters, you have to charge drawing players more. I see what you're saying, that you pretty much have it made in the shade, and why not charge everyone a small toll rather than a couple of players a big toll? Three reasons.

Even though each drawing player's chance to hit a hand that will beat you is small, they're not all zero. Not all of them are drawing dead. And you're purposely keeping all of them in the hand, increasing the chances that one of them will hit.

At the same time, having more players making smaller calls gives each of them a better price on their draws. You're not putting them to any decision, so you're not getting any information about what they might be drawing to. So when the card that makes one of them a straight hits on the river, you won't even suspect it.

And finally, you're not establishing any kind of table image here. When the gods grant you a great hand like this (TPTK + nut flush draw), you have a responsibility to play it well. If you do and it comes to a showdown, you're earning more than the chips in the pot. You're earning street cred, which you can later use to bluff at and steal a few pots you never would have won based on your cards alone.

Hope this helps.

Crooked