2/4 Do you think this QQ line ever shuts down AA or KK?

[chesspain]

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So anyway, I would like to hear a good defense of why a 3 bet on the flop might be required here or why not 3 betting the flop is bad, but short of that continued flaming is good.

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I never said to three-bet the flop (although that may be the best line). I simply opined the assuming that "bad" = "will three-bet preflop from MP with AJ" is likely not the way to maximize your earn in the Party 2/4 game.

[Chris Dow]

Because it is incorrect? Why is it not maximizing is what I'm asking you.

[HajiShirazu]

I would just 3-bet the flop, and there's no way I'm folding the turn/river to a player who is "subpar by 2/4 standards" even if it's capped.

the word fold should never get close to your mind during this hand. 3 bet the flop and call down if 4 bet. taking your line, if you get raised on the turn you should call barring a read that he's stable/passive

[brettbrettr]

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I would just 3-bet the flop, and there's no way I'm folding the turn/river to a player who is "subpar by 2/4 standards" even if it's capped.

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[afk]

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As I said, these guys are playing bad by 2/4 standards. So I'm definitely giving this to them as a distinct possibility here.

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Bad in what way? loose and passive? loose and aggressive? The vast majority of 2/4 players won't 3bet AJ. Most will cold-call with it.

[Chris Dow]

The obvious response here is that the raiser is LAGing while clearly the guy calling 3 cold is LPing. I think it's pretty safe to say that anyone calling 3 cold from the button is obviously LPing. Since I 4 bet the Queens it looks like I have to be saying that the 3 bettor is LAGing here. (I wouldn't think it would be necessary to cap the queens for fun since you're going to play, especially not if your general read on the 3 bettor strongly suggests that AA KK AKs and QQ are his only possible holdings)