Is this a raise situation?

[Marty_]

Greetings!

Is this a raise for value situation?

5 players in an unraised pot, the game is loose-passive. On the flop, player 1 bets and I'm next to act with 6 clear outs. (6 SB)

Thanks.
Marty

[milesdyson]

Explain your thoughts on this being a raise for value.

[hicherbie]

Welcome!

and what miles said.

[Kevin K.]

What are the outs to? OESD but the flop is two suited?

[UncleSalty]

I think the gist is this: Assuming you are positive that your 6 outs give you the nuts, you have an equity edge on the flop against 5 other players. (Your 6 outs indicate that you own about 25% of the pot here, while your "fair share" is 20%)

Edit: Your fair share against 5 is actually 16%

However, you only retain the edge if you get EVERYONE to call your raise. I'd say your chances of getting 5 calls to a raise are slim to none. (And Slim just left town.) Therefore, just call.

[UncleSalty]

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What are the outs to? OESD but the flop is two suited?

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Yes, but two overcards would be a more common example. Plus, w/ a suited board you have to be worried about redraw possibilities.

[Yobz]

You can't raise for value if you make a large field face two cold. You also have to say what happened preflop. If it was capped preflop and all these guys are severe LAGs, then you can probably raise for value, otherwise go for overcalls.

[Kevin K.]

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What are the outs to? OESD but the flop is two suited?

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Yes, but two overcards would be a more common example. Plus, w/ a suited board you have to be worried about redraw possibilities.

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I understand that, but he's saying he has 6 clear outs. That's why I'm asking. I don't see two overcards as being clean and I don't see an OESD being good for a value raise when you're going to be forcing three of the five players to call two bets. The bettor is to your right so you're in no position to raise here. You want callers.

I should have just gone ahead and said, "It depends." and asked the OP whether or not he thinks it's a value raise and why because what I really wanted to know was why he would even consider this.

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[Marty_]

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What are the outs to? OESD but the flop is two suited?

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I just picked 6 as an arbitrary number. I was only thinking of the math and not an actual hand. I can't think of a 6 outer on the flop either.

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I think the gist is this: Assuming you are positive that your 6 outs give you the nuts, you have an equity edge on the flop against 5 other players. (Your 6 outs indicate that you own about 25% of the pot here, while your "fair share" is 20%)

Edit: Your fair share against 5 is actually 16%

However, you only retain the edge if you get EVERYONE to call your raise. I'd say your chances of getting 5 calls to a raise are slim to none. (And Slim just left town.) Therefore, just call.


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That's exactly what I was asking, thanks. Are you sure about the 16% share? I said that there are 5 players so that means I am responsible for 20%...right? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

OK how about this: almost the same situation except now I'm on the button and 5 players (me included) limp PF. Now player 1 bets and 3 people call in front of me. I have 6 outs to a probable winner. (9 SB)

Thanks.
Marty

[JMBills]

With 5 players left including yourself your fair share should be 20%, but what the above poster meant was your fair share against 5 opponents (6 players total) (I think)