2 TP's in multiway pots

Peter_rus · #1 03-29-2005, 06:21 AM

PP 15/30
Do you play this differently?

1 hand.
Button is clueless one, who overplays majority of his hands and make some unbelievable moves like bluff 3-bets on river, calling down with Q-high etc... The others seems semi decent here.

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Preflop: Peter_rus is UTG+1 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $15. CO posts a blind of $15.
1 fold, Peter_rus calls, 2 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 (stup LAG)/ raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls, Peter_rus calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (11 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Peter_rus checks, MP2 checks, stup LAG bets, SB calls, BB calls, Peter_rus calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Peter_rus bets, stup LAG calls, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Peter_rus checks, stup LAG bets, SB folds, BB folds, Peter_rus calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

2 hand UTG+1 is loose-passive. MP2 is semi-decent, able to raise any ace here or 2random spades.

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Preflop: Peter_rus is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Peter_rus raises, UTG+1 (LP)/ calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Peter_rus bets, LP calls, MP2 raises, SB calls, BB folds, Peter_rus calls, LP 3-bets, MP2 folds, SB calls, Peter_rus folds.

Turn: (10 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, LP bets, SB raises, LP calls.

River: (14 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, LP calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB

philnewall · #2 03-29-2005, 10:07 AM

I would fold both these hands preflop, despite the two posters in hand 1 A2s is just too weak IMO. I like the turn on hand 1, hopefully getting the LAG to raise out everyone else. On hand 2 it does seem that your behind on the flop after the two raises so foldings good there.

DeeJ · #3 03-29-2005, 10:18 AM

Hand 1, presume you only play this because there are 2 posters coming in?
Why not bet the river? Or are you relying on a LAG bet to see if the others will raise/fold first?

Hand 2, I fold ATo preflop this far off the button. Does it pay for you in this position? Maybe with 2/3 blind structure this is profitable? If no read on the call-reraiser, I think the fold is OK. Since he showed it down, you will know if he's tricky and plays your fold equity.

Peter_rus · #4 03-29-2005, 11:46 AM

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presume you only play this because there are 2 posters coming in?

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Yes.

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Why not bet the river?

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I hoped for free SD. I was very afraid of better ace in SB-BB hand as their play shows something like A8. I guess even this LAG could be afraid to bet trash here with so many people on river. Also i was ready to muck hand if LAG bets and someone c/r-ses him.

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Does it pay for you in this position?

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Currently - yes. Also take note, that there were only 8 people on a table.

ATo:
UTG+2: TH 131, VPIP 90.84, BB/100 +0.65, WSD 41.18, W$SD 59.52, PFR 90.08
MP1: TH 156, VPIP 82.05, BB/100 +0.40, WSD 38.32, W$SD 53.66, PFR 80.13

5th position

mach3 · #5 03-29-2005, 11:51 AM

Hand 1 - likely folded preflop unless a lot of limpers. I have not been playing AXs well lately for situations just like this. It's hard to get away from TP against a player like the one you describe. Having said that, if he IS like you described, I can't say I'd play it any different.

Hand 2 - looks to me like someone is yelling I have a Q.

DeeJ · #6 03-29-2005, 07:34 PM

Thanks Peter.

Looking at my ATo by position I tend to play it 4 off the button; I've got a VPIP at 83% there but 5 off the button I'm down to 34% VPIP.

Both are profitable (4: 0.3/100 5: 0.23/100) but very small sample sizes (35-ish).

Maybe I will pull hand this back a position and see what happens ..

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