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Old 03-26-2005, 04:49 PM
GrunchCan GrunchCan is offline
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Yeah. I was hoping the OP or first responder would chime in.


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Oh, sorry. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I blew your plan.
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Old 03-26-2005, 05:01 PM
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Yeah. I was hoping the OP or first responder would chime in.


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Oh, sorry. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I blew your plan.

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No worries. The important thing is that someone chimed in. Though it's interesting that you seemed to interprt the post as genuine puzzlement on my part <insert appropriate graemlin here>.
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Old 03-26-2005, 05:15 PM
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Perfect. I'd be tempted to check-call the turn but I think that would be too weak.

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Why?
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Old 03-26-2005, 05:18 PM
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Default Re: after the turn raise...?

Here is my read.

2x JJ
6x QQ
1x KK
6x AA
3x Donk

I'm ahead of 9 and behind 8. I go one more bet.

Krishan
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Old 03-26-2005, 05:20 PM
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Edit: oops he capped the flop and then raised the turn. I'd take the cap on the flop as a hint to slow down, and I'd check the turn.

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The point of putting him on a range of hands is that we need to adjust our plan accordingly. If we're right about our range and he'll raise our flop bet with AK, a 3-bet is fine. We should also plan to lead the turn if called. If we don't think he'll raise AK, we're now only ahead of QQ and should call down.

Ok... so we 3-bet. When we're capped, we have to sit up and take notice. Remember that we capped pf and 3-bet the flop without slowing him down. Not many people are going to be this aggressive without a strong hand. We're no longer worried about giving him a free card. We also want to get to showdown cheaply.

I agree with your edit. Check/calling the rest of the way UI seems best.
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Old 03-26-2005, 05:31 PM
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Default Re: after the turn raise...?

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Here is my read.

2x JJ
6x QQ
1x KK
6x AA
3x Donk

I'm ahead of 9 and behind 8. I go one more bet.

Krishan

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you forgot 1xTT. you might say I'm drawing dead against that hand. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] so that makes it ahead of 9 and behind 9. do you still go one more bet?
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Old 03-26-2005, 05:40 PM
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Welcome to the forum.
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Old 03-26-2005, 05:51 PM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
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Default Re: after the turn raise...?

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Here is my read.

2x JJ
6x QQ
1x KK
6x AA
3x Donk

I'm ahead of 9 and behind 8. I go one more bet.

Krishan

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Is this the read after the flop cap? If it's that close, check-calling is actually a little better.

The reason is that when you bet the turn and get raised, you lose a few more of those hands from the list, and suddenly you're stuck calling down in a situation where you're actually convinced you're losing.

It's the same idea as value betting on the river. You don't bet because you'll have the best hand more than 50% of the time, but you bet because you'll have the best hand more than 50% of the time *WHEN YOU'RE CALLED*. (In this case, it's when you're getting raised...)
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Old 03-26-2005, 06:30 PM
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thanks for the advice everyone. villain showed down AKs and turned out to be a huge LAG. in the end, I took all his money. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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