poor play?

trentcroad · #1 03-23-2005, 04:46 AM

No real reads. All players a tad fishy though.
Howz my play here?
Should I put this down on the river?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 4 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (8 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, CO folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Alexthegreat · #2 03-23-2005, 04:55 AM

I would bet the river and fold to a raise...I think you would have heard from a strong A preflop, and probably would have heard from one on the flop if there was a better ace out there...so I'm mostly worried about hands with a K, which is sure to raise...So you can safely let this go if you get raised....

donnellan · #3 03-23-2005, 05:06 AM

I can't see how betting the river is right. It's not likely that your oppoenent would call with a hand that you can beat.

Might as well check-call, and sometimes you'll check someone trying to bluff the river.

Alexthegreat · #4 03-23-2005, 05:19 AM

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I can't see how betting the river is right. It's not likely that your oppoenent would call with a hand that you can beat.

Might as well check-call, and sometimes you'll check someone trying to bluff the river.

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This is okay, but if PPs have called the flop and turn, they are going to call the river, and you don't want to give up a bet you would have collected from them....You could pick up some bluffs from busted flush draws, but since they have check-called the whole way, they most likely aren't going to bet the river....Calling stations like to call, not bet...bet the river and let them do what they do...

Waloonga · #5 03-23-2005, 05:57 AM

I would have continued betting the river, calling a possible raise. In this play you didn't lose money, but could possibly lose a bet if the Button checked. However, the play isn't bad, what did he have? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Belok · #6 03-23-2005, 06:04 AM

I dont like betting out here, because i would REALLY not like folding to a raise. I've seen alot more players putting in a raise on the river here with any ace to try to represent the K and push out a tie pot.

If i was button and not multitabling, id raise any ace here definitely.

A check call costs you the same amount as a bet/fold, except you get to show down, and possibly induce a missed draw or low pair to bluff at it.

I check call here every time

Alexthegreat · #7 03-23-2005, 06:17 AM

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If i was button and not multitabling, id raise any ace here definitely

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Anyone who thinks this way is raising the turn, 100% of the time...

Typical party fishes aren't going to raise this river without a K or a 5....They aren't going to bet with their pocket pairs that often...they WILL call with their PPs lots...

admiralfluff · #8 03-23-2005, 07:01 AM

I agree with you here, but I think at 3/6 I would be more inclined to check call without reads. I would hate to fold this incorrectly to one of the numerous sassy lags who would raise this river with any A, and worse.

Alexthegreat · #9 03-23-2005, 07:08 AM

My point is just that the lags usually find a way to raise on the following streets:

A) Preflop
B) Flop
C) Turn
D) River

If you manage to get to D) river, without a raise....then you can pretty much assume you are not up against a LAG....

admiralfluff · #10 03-23-2005, 07:22 AM

you're absolutely right. I now completely agree with you.