AA --Too Aggressive? - Page 2

gaming_mouse · #11 03-22-2005, 10:40 PM

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What does your "what" refer to? You don't think I am beat here the majority of the time? I'm not saying I don't have odds to call the river, but I am surely a big dog.

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You say it is clear that you are beat, but that you have to call. I say "what" in an incredulous tone.

SB has a diamond flush, probably with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Fold.

I think that the rest of the hand is fine.

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I think this situation is pretty similar.

http://tinyurl.com/4rnxh

jason_t · #12 03-22-2005, 10:45 PM

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I think this situation is pretty similar.

http://tinyurl.com/4rnxh

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That's really different.

gaming_mouse · #13 03-22-2005, 10:47 PM

How come? Wasn't it just as "obvious" there that someone had a K?

Btw, why is that fukking url not working?

gaming_mouse · #14 03-22-2005, 11:01 PM

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Without reads to the contrary, a flop cap and a turn check-call scream flush draw. I'd probably call the flop raise and raise the turn. But the SB might 3-bet behind me and MP1 could cap. Either way, I think you're in second place at best. I think SB hit a flush on the river and MP has either 2 pair or TPGK like KQ. When he calls the river that means he didn't miss a draw, so he's got a made hand. This is a big pot, but it might be a tough and correct laydown on the river. (Not that I'd do it. For one bet closing the action, I'd call too).

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joker,

I had the exact same reads as you, and they turned out to be right, which made me even agrier that I hadn't folded the turn.

I'm really on the fence about wheather this call is correct or not.

aas · #15 03-22-2005, 11:03 PM

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Does anyone see a better line here or a place where I should have layed down?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

River: (16.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 19.50 BB

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I agree with your play from beginning to end. I don't wait till the turn to raise here because of the flush draw. I call the river because of the size of the pot although most of the time this is a lost pot. You defenitely win this much more than one time out of 18, so call.

jason_t · #16 03-22-2005, 11:03 PM

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Wasn't it just as "obvious" there that someone had a K?

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No.

einbert · #17 03-22-2005, 11:05 PM

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I don't wait till the turn to raise here because of the flush draw.

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That's exactly why waiting until the turn to raise might be correct--because it charges the flush draw more while we have a bigger edge. Also because someone likely has a K and will bet it again on the turn (hopefully MP1).

I'd really like to hear more thoughts on waiting until the turn or not.

ErrantNight · #18 03-22-2005, 11:07 PM

i'm pretty certain you can't fold to that river, even overcalling, but it looks an awful, awful lot like sb' flush came in.

ErrantNight · #19 03-22-2005, 11:10 PM

i assume you mean folded the river. since open folding closing the action on the turn would be kinda st00pid.

aas · #20 03-22-2005, 11:16 PM

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I don't wait till the turn to raise here because of the flush draw.

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That's exactly why waiting until the turn to raise might be correct--because it charges the flush draw more while we have a bigger edge. Also because someone likely has a K and will bet it again on the turn (hopefully MP1).

I'd really like to hear more thoughts on waiting until the turn or not.

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So do you raise when the diamond comes on the turn, or do you call down?

Forget about charging when the pot is getting so big. IF the third flush card comes, your raise will open you to a three bet. You'll have to decide if you need to fold. Furthermore, you'll have the single diamond holders chase you as well.

I would just get my money in on the flop when I am likely to have the best hand but the board is drawy(a word?).