Limp + Catch = ?

Onaflag · #1 03-21-2005, 11:19 PM

The Setting: Reno Hilton World Poker Challenge. 150 villains. First half hour of the tourney. Blinds 25/25. T1000 starting chips. Hero has T1050.

Hero is in late position one off the button. 3 limps. Hero limps with JQ. Button folds. SB checks. BB checks. 6 players.

Flop = J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Check. Bet T100. 2 fold. Raise to T200. Hero ?.

Onaflag..........

Iconoclastic · #2 03-21-2005, 11:22 PM

My first instinct is to push and discourage the draws as well as getting a Top pair or lower two pair to call thinking you have a draw.

Marm · #3 03-21-2005, 11:34 PM

Push, If Not, then a Pot size bet. No need to get fancy this early and let either of the flush or Straight draws come along. IF somebodies got a set of 3's (most likely not JJor QQ), then so be it, you have outs.

Onaflag · #4 03-22-2005, 12:25 AM

Thanks. After reviewing recent MLG advice, I think I did the right thing.

RESULT: Hero pushes. 1 Fold. 1 Call. Villain has two [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] to a str8 flush. He announces he has to call because he has a str8 flush draw. Personally, I think he's an idiot, but that's just me. Turn is a blank. River is a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and I am severely crippled.

Two hands later I push with 55, get called by a JQ ironically and he wins the coin flip. Bye bye. Busted out in 23 minutes flat.

Another theory I had been told would have been to call, wait for a blank turn, then push so villains would have worse odds to make the call.

Onaflag.............

Roman · #5 03-22-2005, 01:15 AM

he had pot odds, not a dumb call at all.

Roman · #6 03-22-2005, 01:15 AM

Pushhhhh

BPA234 · #7 03-22-2005, 11:39 AM

Since you are willing to push here, why not give yourself every chance to push the draw out? I call the flop and then push the brick on the turn. I think that this move is more effective than pushing the flop against any player willing to chase the draw. Unfortunately, since you were up against the strt-flsh draw you were probably toast anyway.

mts · #8 03-22-2005, 01:21 PM

you are letting him draw to a cheap card. I push allin on the flop. What are you going to do if a spade comes? check/fold? What about a face card other than a J or Q? check/fold?

zaxx19 · #9 03-22-2005, 01:26 PM

Im sorry to ask perhaps I misread but was he openended(k10s) or was it an inside straight flush draw like(89s)??

If its openended I think its a hard lay for him...especially given the structure.

Onaflag · #10 03-22-2005, 02:50 PM

He had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and needed the K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] for the royal so it was an inside draw for the monster and a regular everyday flush draw. Add three non-[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Kings to his 9 flush outs for 12 outs.

His call is getting slighty the worse of it at roughly 1.2 to 1. I suppose it wasn't a horribly horrible call, but not one worth risking your tournament life over as I had him covered. I think in the same situation, I'd do the same thing again.

I appreciate the advice on this. It's these little things that I need to know whether I'm doing correctly or not.

Onaflag.............