In Which EdFish Comes up for Air in NYC

Derek in NYC · #1 03-20-2005, 04:46 PM

I agree. this sounds like a terrible fold.

Luv2DriveTT · #2 03-20-2005, 04:50 PM

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I agree. this sounds like a terrible fold.

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Colgin's fold: +EV compared to the fact that Derek in NYC didn't show up to play at the easiest table in the east coast to turn a profit from.

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Evan · #3 03-20-2005, 04:57 PM

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Colgin's fold: +EV compared to the fact that Derek in NYC didn't show up to play at the easiest table in the east coast to turn a profit from.

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Nope.

Folding is 0 EV, you put in no more money and you recieve none. Not showing up is also 0 EV as the same applies.

Now your post implies that one 0 EV condition is worth more than another 0 EV condition, or, that 0=/=0; when in fact 0 is very much equal to 0.

q.e.d.

In other words, don't fold overs getting 23:1 on a 9 high board against a live one.

Luv2DriveTT · #4 03-20-2005, 05:01 PM

come back soon Evan... you are SOOOO right!

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colgin · #5 03-20-2005, 07:18 PM

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In other words, don't fold overs getting 23:1 on a 9 high board against a live one.

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Evan, as you know there are different types of live ones. I submit that this particular one was the type that when he limp-reraised pre-flop and raised the pre-flop cappers flop bet you could assuredly put on AA or KK. Now I could be wrong but that was my evaluation at the table. I would be curious whether the other 2+2ers who were at the table agree or disagrre with me on this. I don't play live too much so I may have been making a mistake of putting him on too narrow a range of hands. Now I ran some PokerStove numbers nd given a reasonable range of hands that GreyWolf and NJChick would just limp in with and then cold two cold on the flop, the best I could do in terms of pot equity on the flop was 3.5%. When you consider that I could be facing negative implied odds if I hit my hand I think that this is a fold, albeit a close one. Now, if you give the live one credit for a broader range of hands, even just adding in QQ and JJ, then I made a clear mistake as my equity jumps to around 9%. I would just reiterate my point that I would very rarely make this narrow a read against an online opponent but here I felt it was appropriate. Again I would be interested in whether the others there think I gave this person too much credit here.

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Derek in NYC · #6 03-20-2005, 05:16 PM

You know TT, you say this, but I just dont see the logic in sitting down with a bunch of 2+2ers in a LAGgy chipspewing fest. Call me a tightwad nit (and a lawyer too, thus confirming the hypothesis about nit-ism), but this sounds like a high-variance, high-frustration experience.

Luv2DriveTT · #7 03-20-2005, 05:32 PM

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You know TT, you say this, but I just dont see the logic in sitting down with a bunch of 2+2ers in a LAGgy chipspewing fest. Call me a tightwad nit (and a lawyer too, thus confirming the hypothesis about nit-ism), but this sounds like a high-variance, high-frustration experience.

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That's odd... all of us went home winners last week... and this week the same happened (Ed became a winner later in the evening). Don't knock it till you try it. You have nothing to fear except fear itself.

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edtost · #8 03-20-2005, 07:47 PM

running hot while donking around rules. especially at limit omaha.

NJchick · #9 03-20-2005, 07:43 PM

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I just dont see the logic in sitting down with a bunch of 2+2ers in a LAGgy chipspewing fest.

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You need logic to play pink chip with a bunch of 2+2 LAGs?

Luv2DriveTT · #10 03-20-2005, 07:58 PM

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You know TT, you say this, but I just dont see the logic in sitting down with a bunch of 2+2ers in a LAGgy chipspewing fest. Call me a tightwad nit (and a lawyer too, thus confirming the hypothesis about nit-ism), but this sounds like a high-variance, high-frustration experience.

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I want to add one additional comment to your statement Derek. If there were no 2+2'ers involved, what type of table would you want to play at? a table 1/2 full of LAGs and 1/2 full of loose passives. Sounds like you would have had your dream table last night eh?

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