Pharaoh's Club Paulson chips - Pre-Order Thread

[hunterking]

this is a bit off subject, but props to you Ten on your last egyptian set...i just now put 2 and 2 together that that was your set i've been admiring on HoldemPokerChips.com...nice work...
by the way how much were those when you first put them out?

hunter

[TenPercenter]

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this is a bit off subject, but props to you Ten on your last egyptian set...i just now put 2 and 2 together that that was your set i've been admiring on HoldemPokerChips.com...nice work...
by the way how much were those when you first put them out?

hunter

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Thanks man.

The first group buy was .95 each. We had a bit over 7,000 in that buy.

The second group buy was administered by http://HoldemPokerChips.com and you'd have to ask him how many were sold. The price on those was .85 per chip for a week or so, and .89 for the second wave while we waited for the chips to arrive. They are now $1.05 each.

Ten

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Ten,

I'm not a computer artist or drafting person so maybe you or J5 can explain why Trademark needs $1,650 to do artwork that has been substantially completed already?

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They are not really charging for "art" per se. Its really a charge for setup. I don't know the exact process, but someone needs to adapt our computer files to their machine to do printing.

Ten

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I can understand setup fees to fabricate a new mold for chips, but the whole idea of "art/setup" charges for the design seems ridiculous when you have the design done yourself. By setup fees, do they mean converting the photoshop files to illustrator and then hit PRINT on the machine?!? I think people need to realize that the inlay is nothing but color laser print on vinyl (or some form of quality paper).

Just my 2 cents.

[Johnny5]

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Ten, I have been comparing the PJB sample chips I have to the Pharoh chip images at the beginning of this thread to get a better perspective of how the graphics will look at their actual size. The screen image diameter is about 1.5 times greater than the PJB chip. Based on this comparison, I am concerned that all that great art work (and detail) will be lost when it is sized to the actual chip.

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Ok, I'll try to answer this question as clearly as possible. I likely won't succeed, but I'll give it a shot anyway.

Aero - Your concerns are somewhat valid (in terms of the smaller the print area, the less detail you will be able to see), but not for the reasons you mention. You simply can't relate the size of the images on your screen to how detailed they will print.

First, the images you see posted here are proofs & are not the exact files that will be printed. In reality, the actual files are much larger than any you see posted here.

I think the confusion is in regards to screen resolution vs. print resolution, a rather confusing subject.

A pixel has NO specific physical size (ie 0.01 inch), as it is a device dependent unit of measurement. Depending on your individual monitor & display settings, you will see the posted images at different sizes. For instance, those running their display at 600 X 400 (not many these days), will see the chip images much larger than someone running their display at 1024 X 768 (pretty typical). There are more factors, but I think this is technically sufficient to explain the idea.

When printing graphics, decent print quality generally requires between 200 and 600 pixels per inch (ppi) and up. The higher the resolution, the higher the detail & sharpness of the printed image. The term 'dots per inch' (dpi) refers to the printer - not the image.

Note: Dots per inch (dpi) and Pixels per inch (ppi) are often used interchangeably. This isn't exactly correct, but in this case, let’s assume they are the same.

In this example, the small images in the top post are 150 X 150 pixels in size. If you were to print these out at the actual size of the chips (39mm or ~1.54"), they would print at about 98ppi (150/1.54), and the image quality would be fairly poor.
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Just to satisfy my curiosity, how big is the insert both in terms of printable area (the actual size is 7/8", right) and dpi/pixels?

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The standard size inlay we are currently working with is indeed 7/8" in diameter. At this size, the actual images we are working with could print at around 500ppi. If the printer printing them can only print at 300dpi, we have more than enough image detail, and will utilize the maximum abilities of the printer. (Note: Your inkjet printer may say it can print 1200 X 4800dpi or something like that, but this isn't exactly true).

I am not familiar with the printing technology that Paulson uses on their chips, but hopefully it will be around 300dpi which should be sufficient to show enough detail.

So basically, graphical 'on screen' images (like jpg/gif/bmps) should not be referenced in terms of inches, or other physical measurement, they should be measured only in pixels. These pixels can then be set to print to a certain physical size on paper, and the distance between the pixels is adjusted accordingly.

Hopefully I answered a question somewhere in there!

J5

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Sorry for my ignorance, but will these be shipped with the clear chip racks per 100 or what.. I have never ordered such nice chips [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I dunno what to expect

The only chips I have ever got were the 11.5 gram cheapies [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[ott]

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Sorry for my ignorance, but will these be shipped with the clear chip racks per 100 or what.. I have never ordered such nice chips [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I dunno what to expect

The only chips I have ever got were the 11.5 gram cheapies [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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I doubt it. It'll most likely be shipped in cardboard boxes holding 100 chips.

[TenPercenter]

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Sorry for my ignorance, but will these be shipped with the clear chip racks per 100 or what.. I have never ordered such nice chips [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I dunno what to expect

The only chips I have ever got were the 11.5 gram cheapies [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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I doubt it. It'll most likely be shipped in cardboard boxes holding 100 chips.

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Agreed.

Ten

[TripKings]

Ten,

If we go through a vendor - do you think we could we pay for, and have them shipped in, trays? I saw a pic of your Chipco Egyptians all in trays after you got them and figured they would come in trays.

Also, I would share some thoughts that I had last night while fiddling with my Paulson JB samples and a few casino chips that I have. In regards to the "linen-finish" over the inlays: while I think it is a great idea to make any home sets' inlay art-work last many lifetimes - there's a chance that it could really affect the detail of the art work. My Mirage chip has a "low-bumpy" linen feel - which leaves pretty good visible detail, but I have a Flamingo Hilton chip that has a very "high-bumpy" finish that would GREATLY affect the detail of our chosen artwork. On my Paulson samples the inlay itself is really "stuck" on there well and has some kind of coating over the inlay area... one would think that that finish would wear very well under most home game situations for a lifetime. Another give and take situation to think about I guess.

As for the inlay size(that is still unknown): If the inlay is to be 7/8" it seems that having shaped inlays, if possible, would really make our art-work small - shaped inlays look like they would work much better on a grand inlay IMHO(with our chosen art-work).

Concentric circles: I'm not sure the Paulson JB samples would look good with these circles... I'm not sure if there is even room to squeeze them in? However, if the new mold is filled in to match-up with the standard 7/8" inlay space... the concentric circles, like in your current mock-ups, would look incredibly good.

I figure that waiting for sample of "exactly" how these chips will be produced is not desireable for amny here - even if it were possible(I think that's a great idea before I plop down $2000), but is there any chance that we will be able to see a detailed pic of an actual "production model" before purchase? Or at least a mock-up that is designed from an actual trademark chip after their new ones' are produced?

I know alota this may be jumping ahead a little - I just thought I would share some more of my thoughts with you and everyone.

[ott]

That inlays that Paulson makes aren't ever gonna peel off or come off. The inlays pretty much become part of the face of the chip during the manufacturing process.

http://www.antiquegamblingchips.com/mfgchip.htm

[aero918]

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Hopefully I answered a question somewhere in there!

J5

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You answered it and then some [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] - Thanks for the reply and the supporting technical discussion. I figured that was the case but its was better to hear your assessment. I just wanted to be sure your art work was going to be fully visible when I show off the chips to friends - Great work!!!

JR