Dealer mess up - Page 2

Arsene Lupin III · #11 03-15-2005, 12:12 AM

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It's a misdeal. Refund the chips.

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Robert's def of misdeal:
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1. The following circumstances cause a misdeal, provided attention is called to the error before two players have acted on their hands. (If two players have acted in turn, the deal must be played to conclusion, as explained in rule #2)

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(a) The first or second card of the hand has been dealt faceup or exposed through dealer error.

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(b) Two or more cards have been exposed by the dealer.

[/ QUOTE ] No.[ QUOTE ]

(c) Two or more boxed cards (improperly faced cards) are found.

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(d) Two or more extra cards have been dealt in the starting hands of a game.

[/ QUOTE ] No.[ QUOTE ]

(e) An incorrect number of cards has been dealt to a player, except the top card may be dealt if it goes to the player in proper sequence.

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(f) Any card has been dealt out of the proper sequence (except an exposed card may be replaced by the burncard).

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(g) The button was out of position.

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(h) The first card was dealt to the wrong position.

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(i) Cards have been dealt to an empty seat or a player not entitled to a hand.

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(j) A player has been dealt out who is entitled to a hand. This player must be present at the table or have posted a blind or ante.

[/ QUOTE ] No.

Eric H · #12 03-15-2005, 12:20 AM

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format: dealer burns two cards after the flop...

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Sorry, I misread the post. I thought it said two cards were burned before the flop.

YTV · #13 03-15-2005, 12:32 AM

Off topic: From reading your story it seems this game may have lasted upto 3 hours or more? Is that normal for your 10 person tourneys?

Ive never been in a 10 man tourney for more than 65 minutes in person or online.

dachord · #14 03-15-2005, 01:27 AM

The extra burn card should have been corrected, but wasn't. It sounds like it messed up the rest of your night and your play. Tough luck (no sarcasm meant).

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Ive never been in a 10 man tourney for more than 65 minutes in person or online

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I've been in several 10 man tourneys (live) that have lasted from 1 to 4 hours, nothing uncommon there.

Arsene Lupin III · #15 03-15-2005, 04:36 AM

10 players in under 65 minutes?

Assuming you play 30 hands an hour, that's a bust just over every 3 hands.. wow.

I've played STTs on stars that lasted 180 hands and well over an hour

*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #1349031286: Tournament #6059450, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/03/13 - 09:43:21 (ET)

*********** # 183 **************
PokerStars Game #1349231766: Tournament #6059450, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/03/13 - 10:55:20 (ET)

That's only level 8, too.

TheCroShow · #16 03-15-2005, 11:14 PM

most of our games run for about 2.5 hours or 3 max, but this one went to 4 due to a few new players "oh it's on me?" or babbling, etc.

so is there an official ruling on this? i tried to stop the game and correct it, but good ole dealer (guy eliminated early) purposely shuffled up the muck and burn piles together. sounds like everyone here is 50/50 on the re-deal. i doubt this will happen again, i'm just curious how it should have been handled.

bubbafry · #17 03-16-2005, 07:30 PM

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It's a misdeal. Refund the chips.

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From Robert's rules of poker:

"Once action occurs, a misdeal can no longer be declared. The hand will be played to conclusion, and no money will be returned to any player whose hand is fouled. In button games, action is considered to occur when two players after the blinds have acted on their hands. "

You should never refund money once people have started betting (esp when 2 or more people are all-in).

jojobinks · #18 03-16-2005, 07:46 PM

i feel the need to once again mention that this hand should have stood as played. there is nothing to do, as it's not a misdeal. if you have house rules about burning, then you do something. if not, swallow it and move on. also, work on steam control. it'll save you money.

bubbafry · #19 03-16-2005, 07:53 PM

Agree with you jojo.

gasgod · #20 03-16-2005, 08:28 PM

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i feel the need to once again mention that this hand should have stood as played. there is nothing to do, as it's not a misdeal. if you have house rules about burning, then you do something. if not, swallow it and move on. also, work on steam control. it'll save you money.

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I couldn't agree more. If a dealer irregularity occurs that does not favor one player over another, the deal should stand. At most, you might want to caution the dealer to follow house rules, or censure (or remove) him if he doeesn't, but altering the outcome of a fair random deal is contrary to common sense.

GG