KK in MP was I too aggresive?

JoeC1948 · #1 03-16-2005, 12:10 PM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

BB is LAP

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

I figure I have a 69% chance of best hand at the river. I have 7 outs

Turn: (12 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Chances are still 60% I will have best hand but I'm worried

River: (20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

I know I'm beat (only 11% chance now) but with good pot odds, I cant drop.

Was I too aggresive? Would any drop on the river (or even the turn)?

Final Pot: 24 BB

joeski19 · #2 03-16-2005, 12:13 PM

No, I don't think so. PF. Flop, and turn look fine.
I would have check called the river.

jrz1972 · #3 03-16-2005, 12:14 PM

Folding either the turn or river would be beyond horrible. You're dragging this way more than 5% of the time.

Also, I play this the same on all streets. I'm fine with the river bet. There are a lot of two pair hands that will call you, and the only (realistic) hand you're losing to is the rivered gutshot. I'll just have to pay that off if somebody chased me down on this one.

BaronVonCP · #4 03-16-2005, 12:16 PM

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Folding either the turn or river would be beyond horrible. You're dragging this way more than 5% of the time.

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How Much more?

crownjules · #5 03-16-2005, 12:19 PM

Looks like Button cold-called 3 times with his J and luckily got his rivered broadway.

You have the best hand on the flop, so the cap is easy. On the turn, I'm not giving anyone credit for QJ (and no one plays like they do). Unfortunately, the river is 4 to a broadway and like I said, it looks like Button called all the way with a J. I probably check/call the river.

KaiShin · #6 03-16-2005, 12:22 PM

You played it fine, but with this many players on the river I'd check-call.

jrz1972 · #7 03-16-2005, 12:22 PM

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Folding either the turn or river would be beyond horrible. You're dragging this way more than 5% of the time.

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How Much more?

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The only hands he's losing to are AA (which seems very unlikely) and Jx.

Button will sometimes be overplaying two pair (KQ) or will be bluffing at the scary board. Some would even play this way with 33, although admittedly that would be pretty ugly.

I'm guessing Hero wins this 20% of the time or so, but that could be on the high side. Still, this is an easy call.

JKetzer · #8 03-16-2005, 12:36 PM

Agreed, I see a lot of people taking pot-shots at 4-flush and 4-straight boards. That said, I think the bet's a little bit frisky. Easy check-call.

Isura · #9 03-16-2005, 01:43 PM

I think you played it well. But I'm not sure about the river, I might have check/called but I think it's really close. If the river is a 3rd flush card I check/call, but here the value bet seems okay.

DMBFan23 · #10 03-16-2005, 02:26 PM

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

BB is LAP

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

I figure I have a 69% chance of best hand at the river. I have 7 outs

Turn: (12 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Chances are still 60% I will have best hand but I'm worried

River: (20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

I know I'm beat (only 11% chance now) but with good pot odds, I cant drop.

Was I too aggresive? Would any drop on the river (or even the turn)?

Final Pot: 24 BB

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this is perfect.