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Old 03-16-2005, 12:13 AM
Tony.T Tony.T is offline
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Default Re: 3-handed 10/20 NL

Have not read any answers to your post but I would be very
suprised if anyone says call. Autofold in my opinion
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Old 03-16-2005, 12:56 AM
RunningSixes RunningSixes is offline
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Default Re: 3-handed 10/20 NL

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if he would play AK folding must be an error.

Hand 1: 35.8563 % [ 00.36 00.00 ] { QQ }
Hand 2: 47.4877 % [ 00.46 00.02 ] { AA-KK, AKs, AKo }
Hand 3: 16.6560 % [ 00.15 00.02 ] { JJ-77, AKs-AQs, AKo-AQo }

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This information fails to consider the side pot.

If these hand ranges are accurate, Hero's total equity will be a little over 2k.

4500*0.36 (main pot) + 1000*0.40 (side pot) = 2020.

Given that your pot equity is 2020 and you have 1920 to call, it is +EV to call.
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Old 03-16-2005, 01:03 AM
kagame kagame is offline
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Default Re: 3-handed 10/20 NL

for the pot equity calculations, there needs to be a way of factoring AK as actually less likely here than AA or KK.

i know this might seem counterintuitive as there are more ways to make Ak but as flynn and diablo are pointing out that is the more likely holding.
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Old 03-16-2005, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: 3-handed 10/20 NL

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no brainer call.

but if you have a brain, you fold.

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HAHAHA. Perfect. Yes, I know it's easy for me to say now, since I've seen the results, but I was stunned by all the advice to call. When someone "seems" to be tilting, and then moves over the top with a massive overbet on any street, you need a lot more to go on than the appearance of tilt. When I'm genuinely on tilt, I take advantage of it with seemingly rash decisions, and when the opportunity to fake tilt presents itself, I take it, in case I pick up a monster in the next 2 or 3 hands (a leftover move from my blackjack days).

The other guy moves in, too, and that does make you believe you can beat one of them, since he could conceivably do this with JJ, AK, and maybe TT, among the hands you are beating now. So I admit it's somewhat enticing, 3 handed. But I would never, ever call in that spot, and I'm glad to see that a couple guys on here agree with me.

Not mentioned (I think) is the fact that you'd hate to get the "tilter" off tilt by doubling his AK up, for a few dollars in EV.
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Old 03-16-2005, 01:26 AM
Lawrence Ng Lawrence Ng is offline
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Default Re: 3-handed 10/20 NL

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HAHAHA. Perfect. Yes, I know it's easy for me to say now, since I've seen the results, but I was stunned by all the advice to call. When someone "seems" to be tilting, and then moves over the top with a massive overbet on any street, you need a lot more to go on than the appearance of tilt. When I'm genuinely on tilt, I take advantage of it with seemingly rash decisions, and when the opportunity to fake tilt presents itself, I take it, in case I pick up a monster in the next 2 or 3 hands (a leftover move from my blackjack days).

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Though there's a chance you are right,
I think you play way too tight,
The SB is obviously on tilt,
And BB is gambling right down to his kilt,
QQ is a monster hand,
So I still stay shove those chips in and take a stand.

Lawrence
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Old 03-16-2005, 01:32 AM
fsuplayer fsuplayer is offline
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Default Re: 3-handed 10/20 NL

its not like he was getting run over all night.

why does he need to take a stand?
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Old 03-16-2005, 01:55 AM
RunningSixes RunningSixes is offline
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Default Re: 3-handed 10/20 NL

I have to say im a bit surpised by all the people that say fold. The BB is described as "a good player who isn't afraid to gamble."

Even if you constrict his hand range to AA, KK and AK calling shows a profit.

The game is 3-handed, the SB is on tilt and BB isnt afraid to gamble? I cant see folding QQ here...
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Old 03-16-2005, 01:55 AM
quix0tic quix0tic is offline
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Default Re: 3-handed 10/20 NL

this hand can swing from being auto-call to auto-fold purely based on small differences in one's appraisal of BB
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Old 03-16-2005, 03:02 AM
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Default Re: 3-handed 10/20 NL

if you think you are a better player then the BB fold...why flip a coin with someone you can outplay?
if you think you aren't a better player then the BB fold and go find a new game.
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Old 03-16-2005, 04:23 AM
Kaz The Original Kaz The Original is offline
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Default Re: 3-handed 10/20 NL

I don't understand this. Now, I am entirely on the side of fold, but it's a matter of +EV. You don't wait for big edges, if you have an edge here, this is your edge over all, playing the small ones.

But you don't have an edge here so fold.
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