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#21
03-12-2005, 04:26 PM
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Re: Do you think there is too much luck in hold\'em?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] An example: AA is only has a "big advatange" if few people see the flop. AA is worthless if 9 people see the flop with you. [/ QUOTE ] Tell me then, which hand WOULD be worth something there? Is KQs better? How about 9Ts or JTs? [/ QUOTE ] No holdem hand is worth anything odds wise if 9 people see the flop , that was my point , try reading. [/ QUOTE ] This is completely false, especially in regards to AA. Granted, no hand is a favorite against the field, but odds-wise? AA is somewhere around 30-31% winner 10-handed. I like those odds. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] 
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#22
03-12-2005, 04:56 PM
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Re: Do you think there is too much luck in hold\'em?
I was actually leaving out hands a rational being wouldn't play.
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#23
03-12-2005, 04:58 PM
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Re: Do you think there is too much luck in hold\'em?
I'll play AA like a monkey in a family pot any day and win tons of cash doing it.
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03-12-2005, 05:00 PM
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Re: Do you think there is too much luck in hold\'em?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] An example: AA is only has a "big advatange" if few people see the flop. AA is worthless if 9 people see the flop with you. [/ QUOTE ] Tell me then, which hand WOULD be worth something there? Is KQs better? How about 9Ts or JTs? [/ QUOTE ] No holdem hand is worth anything odds wise if 9 people see the flop , that was my point , try reading. [/ QUOTE ] This is completely false, especially in regards to AA. Granted, no hand is a favorite against the field, but odds-wise? AA is somewhere around 30-31% winner 10-handed. I like those odds. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I'm aware. My point was that the more people are in the hand the lower it's odds are. AA23 does not share the same handicape in O8.
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#25
03-12-2005, 05:03 PM
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Re: Do you think there is too much luck in hold\'em?
'cola, you got it right.
This thread is a perfect example why I try to avoid all but the Politics forum on 2+2 any more. I'm beginning to see why a lot of poker bloggers think this forum is full of crap.
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#26
03-12-2005, 05:06 PM
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Re: Do you think there is too much luck in hold\'em?
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I was actually leaving out hands a rational being wouldn't play. [/ QUOTE ] I know , I went back and edited that part but aparently it didn't take for some reason. Obviouly a rational player won't play 9999.
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#27
03-12-2005, 05:06 PM
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Re: Do you think there is too much luck in hold\'em?
I'm aware. My point was that the more people are in the hand the lower it's odds are. AA23 does not share the same handicape in O8.
No, not at all. 10-ways there's no more chance 4 random cards will fill up, hit a str8, quarter AA23d, or take the low when the board counterfiets you. You're so far from right you couldn't see right with the Hubble.
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#28
03-12-2005, 05:24 PM
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Re: Do you think there is too much luck in hold\'em?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] An example: AA is only has a "big advatange" if few people see the flop. AA is worthless if 9 people see the flop with you. [/ QUOTE ] Hahahahahahahahaha! Stop, you're just too "cute"! Tell me then, which hand WOULD be worth something there? Is KQs better? How about 9Ts or JTs? [/ QUOTE ] No holdem hand is worth anything odds wise if 9 people see the flop , that was my point , try reading. [/ QUOTE ] I'll elaborate for AC. What is your "fair share" of the pot against 9 opponents (10 handed)? You got it. 10%. Now run Pokerstove with Player 1 having AA and Players 2-10 having a random hand. I don't have Pokerstove on this computer, but I think it comes out that AA has an equity of 33% or so. Compare 33% to 10%. You have a tremendous equity edge. Ruminate on that some, then come back.
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#29
03-12-2005, 05:33 PM
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Re: Do you think there is too much luck in hold\'em?
I just want to point out why I was a bit rude to him.
It wasn't just that he was saying something incorrect. He was saying it with a bit of an attitude towards Kurn. Also, he made it sound as if he were sure of what he was talking about. That's never good for the forums, as it just confuses the beginners. If his statement had only contained one of those problems, I either would have left it alone or corrected him in a somewhat nicer way. But since he said something plainly incorrect and demonstrated a superior attitude about it, I couldn't resist. [ QUOTE ] Now run Pokerstove with Player 1 having AA and Players 2-10 having a random hand. I don't have Pokerstove on this computer, but I think it comes out that AA has an equity of 33% or so. Compare 33% to 10%. You have a tremendous equity edge. [/ QUOTE ] I ran this for AA against 8 random hands, and it ran long enough to get pretty close to the real numbers. "11,673,314 games 5398.333 secs 2,162 games/sec equity (%) win (%) / tie (%) Hand 1: 34.5667 % [ 00.34 00.00 ] { AA } Hand 2: 08.1764 % [ 00.07 00.01 ] { random } Hand 3: 08.1866 % [ 00.07 00.01 ] { random } Hand 4: 08.1738 % [ 00.07 00.01 ] { random } Hand 5: 08.1740 % [ 00.07 00.01 ] { random } Hand 6: 08.1734 % [ 00.07 00.01 ] { random } Hand 7: 08.1741 % [ 00.07 00.01 ] { random } Hand 8: 08.1915 % [ 00.07 00.01 ] { random } Hand 9: 08.1834 % [ 00.07 00.01 ] { random }"
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#30
03-12-2005, 07:58 PM
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Re: Do you think there is too much luck in hold\'em?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] AA is worthless if 9 people see the flop with you. [/ QUOTE ] No holdem hand is worth anything odds wise if 9 people see the flop , that was my point , try reading. [/ QUOTE ] This is completely false, especially in regards to AA. Granted, no hand is a favorite against the field, but odds-wise? AA is somewhere around 30-31% winner 10-handed. I like those odds. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I'm aware. My point was that the more people are in the hand the lower it's odds are. AA23 does not share the same handicape in O8. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, that's your point. Gee, why didn't I realize that. The two statements above made it abundantly clear. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
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