Pharaoh's Club Paulson chips - Pre-Order Thread

[TenPercenter]

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Ten,

I don't care about the colors, shapes or mold.

If it's Paulsons designed by you, I'm in.

Just thought you might need to hear someone not complaining at least once today.

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Thanks bro. It does help and is appreciated. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Ten

[messenger309]

I have been thinking about this also. How many chips do you need for a lifetime of poker?

The tourney question is easily answered. I run one table SNG's. 1000 chips to start with unlimited rebuys for the first three rounds plus an add on. My players are pretty loose so we typically put about 30000 chips in play. For this part of my game I plan on:
150 $5
200 $25
100 $100
50 $500
25 $1000
I like my players to have at least 30-40 actual chips to play with at the start so a starting stack would be 15 red,21 green and four black. Most guys take a rebuy right away: 5 black and a purple.
This setup also allows for larger non rebuy tourney's. The extra chips cut down on people needing change all the time and speeds up play.

Cash games are a little trickier. If you only play NL then your life is easier. Just buy enough of each denom to keep people from needing change all the time. I plan on 150 .25, 250 $1 chips. Once your game gets higher in limits you just move into your tourney set up anyway.

If you play limit, you need a lot more chips if you plan on having enough around to allow your game to grow in limits. Lets assume the average buyin is the textbook 40BB. If you start at 1/2 each player needs $80. For 8 players that is 640 chips if you use the same denom. This is a good choice for a cardroom but out of reach for the home host I think. Better to give each player 30 $1 and 10 $5. This means you need about 250 $1 chips plus a 100 or so .25 for the blinds.
3/6 can be played with a mix of $1 and $5 easily but 2/4 is gonna be a nightmare of change making and a lot of hands in the pot. 5/10 is doable with your tourney setup but 10/20 is going to have the same problem as 2/4. Any two chip/4 chip
structure is going to need a lot of chips. The local casino's near here simply spread 2/5 instead.

So far I am up to 825 chips and I plan on a 1000 so you can tweak your setup as you need.

Bottom line is a 1000 chips should be good for a lifetime of poker.

Rob

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Boy, you "blue $1 chip" guys are passionate about the subject. I get many MANY different type of requests, all of which I could never grant, but this subject is popping up from all angles. Even in a couple of the orders I've been getting (16 so far). When I was leaning towards making the $1 blue, I got the same IM's about that, so I know it's a hot topic.

I will make a decision about it, but please DO keep in mind, it's mine to make . There can't be 100 poeple getting what they want. If that could happen, we'd have a 30 chip set, clay, ceramic, and coin inlay, with and without a theme, with and without denoms, some with no inlay at all, all colors under the rainbow, and at .60 cents each, all Paulson chips.

I know each of you may feel passionate about the one "hot button" item you're requesting, but understand that there is another guy that feels just as passionately to have the opposite of what you're wanting. I'll make a decision on it when all the dust settles.

And Lumpy's right. Take some photos of the white and orange Paulsons you've been shuffling. Mine are dirty, but not as dirty as people are making out...

Ten


p.s. A good point for the "blue $1 crowd" is that the round inlay should be on the white chip. There's another reason to make the white chip the 25¢, since I want the "most simple" inlay shape to be on the cheapest chip. It's goofy to put a shaped inlay on a white chip...

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Why can't you have both? It'll increase the group buys.

You can have white $1 and a blue $1, a white $0.25 and a blue $0.25. This way, you can pick and choose which you want. There are no rules that say you can't have 2 variations on a set.

[gr8vertical]

This is a little off the subject, but where can I order some samples of Paulson chips that will be used for this set?? Thanks

[TenPercenter]

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This is a little off the subject, but where can I order some samples of Paulson chips that will be used for this set?? Thanks

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http://www.apachepokerchips.com/

Ten

[broomcorn1]

blue/white for each $1/.25 denom.
absolutely!

[morglum_s]

Ten;

The design looks great. These are really gonna be head and shoulders above any other clay's out there (including any chips from any real Casino!)

I do have one minor suggestion about the design. The rendering on the $5 red chip doesn't seem to match the rest. It is hard to articulate, but it looks 'flatter' than the rest. The other icons have a 3-d embossed look to them but the pyramids on the $5 look more 2-d drawn than 3-d rendered. They dont seem to have the same level of detail or shading that the other chips have. I can try and describe it better if I'm not being clear enough, but hopefully you can get what I'm talking about.

Having said that, I'm still on the fence about signing up for the pre-order. I was really exited about this project when you first announced it, but I seem to have some contrary desires to the rest of the group.

First off I was hoping to see something non-denominational. I know this isn't going to happen. Also I wasn't really too jazzed about the faux-casino, although I really think you've come up with a super classy design for it (just the fact that it's in Cairo instead of Vegas is a huge plus!)

Finally the two issues that are really going to make or break the deal for me are the inlay shapes and the cost. I realize everyone else is really stoked on the different inlay shapes, but to me they are just too busy and detract from the elegance of the design. I could see the hex maybe, but the cog and some of the others are just overkill for me.

As for the cost, I didn't have the super-low expectation that a few other's had, but $.95 a pop doesn't seem like the discount I was expecting to get for a order this size. I am sure this has been touched on before, but the group buy on the other board is going for ~$0.93 a piece, and it seems like this is a larger order and there should be at least one less middle man in our case? Maybe I am not fully sensitized to the true costs (including artwork etc,) but can't I get a fully custom orders from PC.com or TR King for right around $1 a chip? Anyway I know you didn't specify any prices until recently but I was expecting something south of $.90 at least.

I think in the end, I am going to wait until the inlay shape plays out and see we where we are. Also I am going to wait until Trademark gomes out with their new mold to get some samples (I don't even have the new JB's yet...)

But Ten even though everyone here has their sticking points (as I've piled on in this post) you have done an awsome job and a lot of people are going to be really happy with the results! Thanks for your efforts!

-M

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This is a little off the subject, but where can I order some samples of Paulson chips that will be used for this set?? Thanks

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http://www.apachepokerchips.com/

Ten

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thanks [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[aero918]

Ten - the chip designs look great.

I have a suggestion (not that you need anymore [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) Make the blank chip the same color as the 25 cent chip. As the set stands now, the blank would be blue and allow all the people that want the blue $1 chip to use the blue blank instead of the white 1$. It will also allow all the people (like myself) that would use the blank as a high value chip to to do so without it being confused with the $1000 orange chip.

It would be interesting to see how many people would use the blank as a high value chip versus a low value chip (might help the decision on to color it like the $1000 or the 25c).

I do like your case for the round inlay being on the 25c chip and also making it the white chip (and I voted for the $1 white chip [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img])

[TenPercenter]

morglum,

Thanks for the kind words on the overall design. I'm proud of them too.

Re: $5 image not as 3D as the rest: I know what you're saying, and it was a decision I had to make all along the way. I really like that pyramid image, and I had planned to use it on my first set too, which is why I retained the rights for it. We tried to build the rest of the set around the same style, but images are not plentiful with that grainy/cartoony look. But here's the crux: These images are going to be reduced to a very small size, and some of the detail will be lost anyway. once we get them onto chips (or at least proofs from Paulson), they will be more similar.

Re: No Denoms: Well, Like I said before, I'm not considering taking denoms off. Not a change of that happening. However, I made a comprimise and added the "black" chip that can be used for a missing chip in anyone's game.

Re: Inlay shapes. Well, this hasn't been as hard a choice as some other elements [ $1 white or blue ] because almost everyone wants shaped inlays. I certainly want them. The designer is currently against them for design reasons, but he also likes the idea. Since we are back to a standard inlay (7/8"), we are limited on space once the edges start cutting into our circular canvas. We'll experiment with them for sure.

Re: Cost: You MUST keep in mind that this is a Paulson group buy. If we wanted TR King, we'd have a better price, no doubt. I wanted Paulson chips, and I didn't want either of the only two designs out there. So voila, Pharaoh's Club Paulsons. The price will not be lower than a group buy we organize with ANY OTHER clay manufacturer. No way around that. And I really don't think it's going to be .95 each. Like you, I expect it to be south of .90, and I'll do my best to make it happen.

Ten