standard or did i miss a couple bets?

masonx · #1 03-12-2005, 11:29 AM

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $3.
4 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB folds, MP2 bets, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Button calls, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Button folds, Hero calls.

River: (11.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

EDIT - MP2 was generally really passive.

Nick C · #2 03-12-2005, 11:36 AM

When a really passive player 3-bets a turn checkraise I think that usually means he likes his hand a lot. In this hand, your checkraise represented trips, and MP2 decided he didn't care.

It sounds like you won, but I think calling down after the 3-bet is sensible.

Elizabeth · #3 03-12-2005, 12:43 PM

You're getting 9:1 on the flop closing the action, which gives you a marginal call for a 5 outer (which is 8.4:1 for 1 card). The problem is that there's a 2 flush on board and 2 broadway cards, so you're in danger of hitting your hand and still losing.

You need to discount your outs ... specifically the 8d may not be good, and even if there isn't a flush draw out there you can lose to any additional diamond, 4, Ace, or potentially any broadway card. I think this hand is worth no more than 4 outs, and that's optimistic.

Also 4s and Aces will kill your 2 pair outs. Your opponent with an ace has a 8 out reddraw against you (3 fours, 2 aces, and 3 of his second hole card), which is 17% right there. Losing 17% of 5 outs brings you down to 4.1 outs. We haven't considered the flush and gutshot broadway draws that might be there, nor the other outs that other second best hands have, nor the chances that you're behind already.

These considerations push the flop decision to a fold for me. The pot isn't actually that big is what it comes down to.

spydog · #4 03-12-2005, 02:23 PM

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When a really passive player 3-bets a turn checkraise I think that usually means he likes his hand a lot. In this hand, your checkraise represented trips, and MP2 decided he didn't care.

It sounds like you won, but I think calling down after the 3-bet is sensible.

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Yeah....what Nick said.

gvibes · #5 03-12-2005, 04:27 PM

I probably fold the frop, for all the reasons Elizabeth mentions.

Kaz The Original · #6 03-12-2005, 04:37 PM

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You're getting 9:1 on the flop closing the action, which gives you a marginal call for a 5 outer (which is 8.4:1 for 1 card). The problem is that there's a 2 flush on board and 2 broadway cards, so you're in danger of hitting your hand and still losing.

You need to discount your outs ... specifically the 8d may not be good, and even if there isn't a flush draw out there you can lose to any additional diamond, 4, Ace, or potentially any broadway card. I think this hand is worth no more than 4 outs, and that's optimistic.

Also 4s and Aces will kill your 2 pair outs. Your opponent with an ace has a 8 out reddraw against you (3 fours, 2 aces, and 3 of his second hole card), which is 17% right there. Losing 17% of 5 outs brings you down to 4.1 outs. We haven't considered the flush and gutshot broadway draws that might be there, nor the other outs that other second best hands have, nor the chances that you're behind already.

These considerations push the flop decision to a fold for me. The pot isn't actually that big is what it comes down to.

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Insightful.

Super Pro · #7 03-12-2005, 04:50 PM

flop is whatever, i'd probably make it but its close as elizabeth said.

when you get 3-bet on the turn you're in big trouble, but you can't fold. call down.