How much EV is this collusion costing me?

roy_miami · #1 03-10-2005, 04:29 AM

OK, here's the story.

There are 2 guys that I play with quite a bit, I know they know each other quite well, they actually hang out together as they are from the same home town. I am friendly with both of them. I believe they may be sharing information about their hands.

I first started getting suspicious when one of them typed a message in the chat box that was intended for an instant messanger (I believe anyway). During the game I rarely see them get involved with each other, they do see flops together but one will almost always give up immediately if the other stays in. Once in a while they will see the flop heads up and one wil fold on the flop to a single bet which is unusual for both of them.

I'm pretty sure they know each others cards, or at least are communicating one has a good hand via phone or IM. Only twice have I seen them go to showdown together, both times they had the exact same hole cards. The first time they both had the nut straight so naturally they both jammed the pot. The second time they both had pocket Aces, this time they jammed it all the way trapping a player. This seemed over aggressive for both of them and it may have indeed been collusion at work.

What it boils down to is I believe they are communicating. I dont believe they are using this knowledge to jam the pot when one has a big hand, but I do believe they are using this information to maybe get out of the way earlier.

So my question is this, how much is this costing me in EV and should I report them?

ZBTHorton · #2 03-10-2005, 04:37 AM

SHould you report them? Absolutely.

How much is it costing you? Not all that much. Although in the long run I'm sure it adds up.

SCfuji · #3 03-10-2005, 04:54 AM

1) report them
2) use the other that folds on the flop to try and figure out how strong the other is.

Danenania · #4 03-10-2005, 05:03 AM

Are they bad players? If so it probably makes the game better if anything EV wise.

ShortBus · #5 03-10-2005, 07:45 AM

People like this are just bad for the game. Report then, we're all better off without them.

olavfo · #6 03-10-2005, 08:26 AM

Stop playing with them.

olavfo

Reef · #7 03-10-2005, 08:55 AM

easy choice >> report them

flair1239 · #8 03-10-2005, 10:05 AM

I'd report my Mom, if I thought she was colluding. This is a no brainer.

lozen · #9 03-10-2005, 10:57 AM

leet me add reporting them only works if the site will do anything. I know pokerstars will ban them and refund money to the players at the table. Pokerroom which i like alot will probaly do nothing as I have never had an e-mail inquiry on anything answered

junkmail3 · #10 03-10-2005, 11:19 AM

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The second time they both had pocket Aces, this time they jammed it all the way trapping a player.

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I don't know if any support person will really accecpt this as evidence of collusion.