Two questionable hands.

guitarhero14 · #1 03-07-2005, 07:50 PM

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.05.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, Hero (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, Button folds, SB calls, MP3 calls.

River: (8 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8 BB

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.05.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP2 (poster) calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (12.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (8.70 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (13.70 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero folds, CO calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 16.70 BB

droolie · #2 03-07-2005, 07:57 PM

Hand 1: I value bet the river.

Hand 2: I seriously doubt the board plays here. Tough to do but good fold considering you are likely to get raised by either of the yutz's yet to act. I call if closing the action due to the size of the pot. (Since this is it only costs 10 cents I call to see what everyone playing!)

zeropotential · #3 03-07-2005, 07:57 PM

1:
fold to any agression along the way
if you've bet this far, why arn't you value-betting the river? i would

2:
i'd fold as well since UTG+1 called & your not last to act

Shillx · #4 03-07-2005, 08:26 PM

Value bet the river in hand 1.

Someone should have you beat in hand 2, but it *probably* isn't the BB. I just hate these spots because the risk:reward isn't there by calling. Being the bettor in hands like this (if you have it or not) is much more rewarding.

Brad

guitarhero14 · #5 03-07-2005, 09:39 PM

Thank you all for the replies. First off, can someone explain what exactly is value betting? Second, the reason I didnt bet was because I had such a bad kicker that I thought I was up against a better kicker(but not much better, why someone didnt raise).

zeropotential · #6 03-07-2005, 09:43 PM

well i looked for a book def. of value betting.... no luck
but i'll take a stab - someone will surely be able to outdo my definition however:

value betting is betting when your likely to win more then your fair share of the time... say for instance there are three oponents: to value bet you should have >33% chance of winning (assuming no opponent raises, and both call)

in short: betting when you have a better chance of winning then your oposition so that you make money over the long run

guitarhero14 · #7 03-07-2005, 09:49 PM

so, how exactly do you know if you have a >33% chance of winning? Thanks for the quick response.

zeropotential · #8 03-07-2005, 09:51 PM

well, you don't _KNOW_...

say for instance you flop 4 to a flush... its gonna come in ~35% of the time
when your up against more then 3 opponents every bet you get them to put in goes into your pocket more offten, then yours will go into their pocket...

with heads up situations its a lot harder to say when your ahead...
and thus harder to say when you should value bet...

zeropotential · #9 03-07-2005, 09:55 PM

if you check out the index of ssh there are about 10 instances value betting is mentioned in the text... i'm sure if you went through and read those pages you would get a better handle on the idea behind it then i could ever give you

guitarhero14 · #10 03-07-2005, 09:57 PM

I definetly NEED to go through SSH once again.