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Old 12-23-2002, 07:44 PM
David Sklansky David Sklansky is offline
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Suppose you were allowed to call all preflop bets at half price. The game is 15-30. So it costs $7.50 to call, $15 to raise or call a raise, $10 to call a raise in the small blind, and so forth. From the flop on its full price. About what percentage of flops would you see in a typically played 9 handed game?
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Old 12-23-2002, 09:33 PM
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50%
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Old 12-23-2002, 09:43 PM
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Default Re: Hypothetical Question

In theory I would say almost all flops should be seen because of the pot odds offered.
however if you are not very good at reading other hands and have trouble playing in tight spots then you should be folding about 80% after the flop.
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Old 12-23-2002, 11:20 PM
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If it looks like I have two opponent’s I’ll play every hand and often raise a lone limper to semi-isolate. There are too many flops they miss and I can steal (in addition to the flops I hit). Against multiple opponents I would play all the normal hands plus any suited, any connectors and up to two gappers, all broadway cards, any ace (even when probably dominated), and most Kx hands. I’d still throw away Qx and below against a field. Of course I would open raise the blinds for half price any time close to the button. Even if reraised behind my discount makes it worth it.

This sounds like about 80% of my hands.

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Old 12-24-2002, 05:29 AM
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It seems to me that your implied odds let you see just about every flop.
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Old 12-24-2002, 09:02 AM
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Default Re: Hypothetical Question

i guess this could apply in overs games.

i would play any decent hand, so i guess around 40% of hands.

does it matter if you can raise? ie, limpers youve got 45s on the button should you raise?
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Old 12-25-2002, 03:32 AM
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Default changing my mind.

After thinking about it some more, I think I have to tighten up, to seeing just the hands that I would complete with in the small blind.
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Old 12-25-2002, 03:57 AM
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Default Re: Hypothetical Question

suppose you had one of the greatest poker minds in the world at your disposal, and all he conversed about were hypothetical math/statistics situations.

oh, wait [img]/forums/images/icons/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 12-25-2002, 04:40 AM
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I assume that the discount only applies to you, not the whole table. So, the pot would be about the same size on the flop as in a non-discounted situation. If a good player normally sees 15-20% of flops, then I'd increase this to 40-50%. In unraised pots, you wouldn't add nearly as many hands as in raised pots, so that number is actually quite dependent on the other players' aggressiveness pre-flop.
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Old 12-25-2002, 09:41 PM
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I would see amost every flop. I would call with any two suited cards, any two cards that could make a straight. If I had good position I might not even look at my cards.

In other words I would play slightly looser than I do now.
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