39s family pot from SB

reubenf · #1 03-06-2005, 04:37 PM

I've never really run into this situation before so I was just sort of winging it. I'm curious what people would have done differently with the flop as-is, and if the 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] was 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], and if the 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] was 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (8 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO raises, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (13 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB

Womble · #2 03-06-2005, 04:47 PM

Preflop: Fine, but very marginal. What do people think about SSH play any 2 suited cards from the SB? I think its too loose.

Flop: You have to call here with a double gushot. A checkraise would be nice to trap the whole field [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] With so many players I wouldnt bet out though.

Turn: Bottom end of 4 straight, with 6 people your hand is rarely good and you will split often. I am on getting to the river cheaply with 6 opponents. Check/call here.

River: I guess you lost to a flush. I dont think your hand will ever be good here. The post flop play looks like a flush draw from some of your opponents and all you have is the bottom of a straight. Saying that, with 13BB and closing the action you could be up against 2 pair or something. May even split the pot so you should call.

Is this reasoning correct? I havent really posted replies to hands because I dont want to give bad advice.

Nick Royale · #3 03-06-2005, 05:04 PM

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Preflop: Fine, but very marginal. What do people think about SSH play any 2 suited cards from the SB? I think its too loose.

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Preflop is very easy. You're getting 15:1 and will flop a flushdraw ~11% of the time and a made flush ~1% of the time. Add to that trips 2 pair etc.

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Flop: You have to call here with a double gushot. A checkraise would be nice to trap the whole field

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On this hand check/raising would be bad. If the 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]->7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] then check/raising might be an option. (I wouldn't c/r, but maybe it's close)

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Turn: Bottom end of 4 straight, with 6 people your hand is rarely good and you will split often. I am on getting to the river cheaply with 6 opponents. Check/call here.

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Agree, check/call.

reubenf · #4 03-06-2005, 05:28 PM

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Preflop: Fine, but very marginal. What do people think about SSH play any 2 suited cards from the SB? I think its too loose.

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I don't blindly play any 2 suited from SB... but look at how many limpers there are here!

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Flop: You have to call here with a double gushot. A checkraise would be nice to trap the whole field [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] With so many players I wouldnt bet out though.

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If I think I have enough equity to CR trap, I probably would have bet out in the first place, no? Change the 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] to 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and I consider betting out. Anyone else?

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Turn: Bottom end of 4 straight, with 6 people your hand is rarely good and you will split often. I am on getting to the river cheaply with 6 opponents. Check/call here.

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I'm not understanding how I had odds to call the flop if 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is good that infrequently.

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Is this reasoning correct? I havent really posted replies to hands because I dont want to give bad advice.

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Well I liked your reasoning. But don't be afraid to give bad advice. People will correct you, and that's a great way to learn.

Nick Royale · #5 03-06-2005, 05:45 PM

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If I think I have enough equity to CR trap

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I would say we have ~3.5-4 outs on the flop. Enough to call but far from making check/raising an option. Do you know how much getting 3-betted by BB would suck?

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I'm not understanding how I had odds to call the flop if 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is good that infrequently.

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You noticed we also had the 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]?

reubenf · #6 03-06-2005, 05:51 PM

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I would say we have ~3.5-4 outs on the flop. Enough to call but far from making check/raising an option. Do you know how much getting 3-betted by BB would suck?

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Right, I agreed on that point.

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I'm not understanding how I had odds to call the flop if 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is good that infrequently.

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You noticed we also had the 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]?

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Yes, and I know the 8's count for more of my outs on the flop than the 4's do. But if the 4's account for so little that I'm not willing to bet out when a non-spade 4 comes, then I'm not sure how I have enough outs on the flop to call.