Too weak tight? Flop bottom set

[Post-Oak]

Live game, 9 players. Table is surprisingly tight so far.

I'm in BB with 2s 2c.

6 players see the flop (no raise)

Flop is 8 - 5 - 2 rainbow

SB bets $60. I call. One fold and then solid player in mid position makes it $170 (raise $110).

Folded back around to me. I fold.

[tbach24]

Raise the initial bet. Solid player could have an overpair. You gotta raise the intial bet.

[raptor517]

you absolutely CANT call the first bet and fold to a raise. you have to raise that bet.

[John Gaspar]

I vote for too tight.

Would he make this same play with 99-JJ? I would imagine so.

It looks like he was the 2nd limper pre-flop. Would he limp with AA-KK if the game was as tight as you say trying to win a big pot, disguise his hand or re-raise a late position raiser?

I would call his raise and lead out the turn with a blocking bet. If he is on a higher set, he'll play back at you. If not he'll throw his hand away or flat call. Lather, rinse repeat.

[eoinak]

As allready said he can easy make this move with an overpair. Reraise to find out where you are, or else call and bet the next street

[b0000000000m]

Can you please provide your rationale for raising the initial bet? Is it that raising now provides your opponents with much less information about your hand than raising later? (Are you worried that a raise attempt later will be folded to?)

My question aside--I don't see how you can lay this down at this point.

[raptor517]

well, doyle brunson once said to not get broke in an unraised pot. on a flop like this, that could happen. however, having said that, i would have to get broke on this hand. i think the likelihood of a hand such as 1010 raising in that spot is too great to get rid of a set of 2s. and as lorinda says on the 1 table tourney forum, when in doubt, river quads.

[tbach24]

You raise for value.

[Post-Oak]

Thanks for the replies so far.

Here's some additional info which may(?) make my fold seem like a better decision.

I had just over $1K. Villain had about $1.1-1.2K.

He was 2 seats to the right of the CO (I think).

I think he would have raised with AA, KK, QQ or JJ most all of the time, since he was not in EP and there was already a limper in front of him. So far I had seen him as a solid, ABC type player. Also, is his relatively small raise a little suspicious?

Basically, I was out of position and maybe drawing to only 1 out. Do I really have to mix it up in this "marginal" situation? Or maybe you think it is ridiculous that I am labeling this a marginal situation. I just felt it wasn't a good spot to play for my stack.

My bankroll is big enough for the game, so that is not an issue.

My friend (a very good NL player) thought the lay down was the right move.

[Triumph36]

This exact situation is outlined in PL/NL by CIaffone and Reuben. A virtually drawless flop, you're probably seen as a tight player, it's an unraised pot, and a bet and a call to a middle position player. I can't see a tight player raising with nines or tens here.