Bluffing at micros: worth it?

Ric · #1 03-04-2005, 09:33 PM

Obviously, stealraises in certain games are profitable (like Party 1/2), but what about bluffs on other streets? Here's an example:

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises

I think the pot was big enough to give it a shot.

Vern · #2 03-04-2005, 09:38 PM

No, unless you are the first to bet it. IMHO. He bet the river, unless he is a total LAG he has you beat or is bluffing. He will only call your raise if he has ace high beat.

I think raising the flop, check behind the turn when the three flush hits then call the river is a better line.

Vern

Standard Disclaimer, I am by no means an expert at any of this.

DavidC · #3 03-04-2005, 09:52 PM

Yes.

Edit: Except, I call it, "Betting for value with nothing."

milesdyson · #4 03-04-2005, 10:05 PM

IMO average players are not folding winning hands enough for this to be profitable. I'd say against a typical player, this pot would have to be about 20 BB to make this an approximately break-even proposition.

Lucena · #5 03-04-2005, 10:10 PM

I think to have a chance with this you would need a scare card to work with or to have done this on the flop.

cmwck · #6 03-04-2005, 10:37 PM

Yet another example of Fancy Play Syndrome.
There is really no need for this type of play at these limits.
-C.

Bizot · #7 03-04-2005, 10:39 PM

i agree if you do raise and are 3 bet and fold people will notice that and bet/raise into you accordingly. Or if you are called with crap people will notice that also.

I am guilty of this alot too trying to out think an idiot makes you one too [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

cyorg · #8 03-04-2005, 10:45 PM

not unless you are at a super passive table. sometimes if you are last to act it will work out. but you should play pretty standard poker.

DavidC · #9 03-05-2005, 02:09 AM

Oh, and I didn't look at the hand, I was just responding to the subject of the post. Sorry for any confusion.

(I will now look at the hand.)

Okay, now that I've looked at the hand, I don't think this bluff was a good one.

There's no way of telling what this guy might have, and there's nothing that would suggest that you just beat that hand that he's representing.

Ric · #10 03-05-2005, 02:26 AM

I figured as much. I didn't really plan to bluff raise the end until the river, so a better line should have more success. Typically, I would fold in this situation, having missed my outs.

Anyway, he thought about it for a little bit, and 3bet. I then folded. After this hand, he made some pretty loose calls so in retrospect I definitely picked the wrong person to try a bluff against.