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Check 3 27.27%
Bet 8 72.73%
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Old 03-04-2005, 07:07 PM
bunky9590 bunky9590 is offline
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Default Re: Pairs or AK

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But isn't the correct analysis to compare the difference between tha advantage of AK over a random hand, and 22 over a random hand?

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Old 03-04-2005, 07:10 PM
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it really depends on the situation. for shits and giggles I'll say JJ > AKo, QQ > AKs. but again, it really depends on the situation.
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Old 03-04-2005, 07:17 PM
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it really depends on the situation. for shits and giggles I'll say JJ > AKo, QQ > AKs. but again, it really depends on the situation.

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I went with the same.

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Old 03-04-2005, 07:20 PM
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22 is a 6:5 favorite vs AK if played to the river.

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True, but irrelevant. AKs or AKo is a much more valuable hand in a full ring game than 22.
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Old 03-04-2005, 07:21 PM
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Someone would rather get 22 than AKs?

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youre not following along very well

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How's that again? Someone voted for 22. Meaning 22 is the lowest pair they would choose over AK. Meaning they would rather have 22 than AK.
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Old 03-04-2005, 07:36 PM
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you're about the 10th person to tell me that. Tosh ownes my avatar for the next month. everyone complain to him so he changes it
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Old 03-04-2005, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: Pairs or AK

That there was such a wide variety of responses indicates that either

[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] There are no right or wrong answers in poker. It's all about style and playing your opponents.

or

[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] There are a few frighteningly clueless people reading these forums.

Here is how much AKs, AKo, and the pocket pairs make on the button, 10-handed, according to PokerRoom:

$1-$2

1.01 AKs
0.59 AKo

2.94 AA
2.09 KK
1.33 QQ
1.05 JJ
0.45 TT
0.22 99
0.17 88
0.15 77
0.09 66
0.11 55
-.06 44
0.05 33
-.13 22

$10-$20

0.99 AKs
0.89 AKo

3.23 AA
2.35 KK
1.74 QQ
1.19 JJ
0.97 TT
0.24 99
0.41 88
0.05 77
0.40 66
0.33 55
-.21 44
0.17 33
0.13 22

These suggest that the reasonable responses are QQ, JJ, and TT.

I've stated several reasons why the PokerRoom EV stats are flawed, and I think there isn't enough data at the $10-$20 level for the figures to be accurate. If your Poker Tracker stats are wildly different, please let us know. If you have some way of playing 88 to make it anywhere close to as profitable as AK, please post that, too.
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Old 03-04-2005, 08:32 PM
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Someone would rather get 22 than AKs?

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youre not following along very well

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How's that again? Someone voted for 22. Meaning 22 is the lowest pair they would choose over AK. Meaning they would rather have 22 than AK.

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did i say youre? i meant im
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Old 03-04-2005, 09:07 PM
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you're about the 10th person to tell me that. Tosh ownes my avatar for the next month. everyone complain to him so he changes it

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Apparently Tosh let someone else choose it, so you'll have to convince that person to get it changed [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].
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