Check my line here from BB

[wabe]

Why did you 3-bet the flop?

I think I check/call the turn and check/fold the river unimproved. A heart changes that up, though. A Q...not so much.

[fluxrad]

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You're right, sorry if I was harsh, but I find that's the quickest way to learn here. Yes, as someone expounded your equity is high enough to put bets in on the flop. FWIW though I don't 3-bet the flop.

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1. You weren't harsh. I'm used to Fark and Kuro5hin.org so it's not "harsh" 'till you've involved my mom in the conversation somehow :P

2. Assuming this went to the flop 3-way. Is it still correct to bet? (My guess is not).

3. If it's 3-way and it's 2 bets back to you (pot odds of, say, 7:2 - is it correct to call (implied odds?).

[Bizot]

ya sorry clicked the wrong one
redrain > bizot in knowledge of poker.

with 12 outs and people who are more than likely going to call due to the pot size why would you just check/call the turn? you are still risking giving the free card to 2 spades here.

[Wetdog]

There is fold equity in the turn if it doesn't hit anyone else. Of course it could hit someone with AQ, Q9 or TT.

[RED_RAIN]

Wow, okay, I guess you guys need it spelled out.

Look at the amount of outs we have.

2,4,5,6,7,8,9,T,A hearts
9,A spades
9,A clubs
9,A diamonds

The 9 and A of hearts are even better for us, because if someone has Q, they won't be able to fold and might even raise us.

I see 15 outs all helping us. How the hell isn't this a good bet with the amount of callers, not really caring if they call or fold.

[Bizot]

anyone playing AQ this way i am happy to have it hit them. Also Q9 i have outs to either chop or crush him. Even with AQ i can take him out with a flush here.

[davelin]

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Wow, okay, I guess you guys need it spelled out.

Look at the amount of outs we have.

2,4,5,6,7,8,9,T,A hearts
9,A spades
9,A clubs
9,A diamonds

The 9 and A of hearts are even better for us, because if someone has Q, they won't be able to fold and might even raise us.

I see 15 outs all helping us. How the hell isn't this a good bet with the amount of callers, not really caring if they call or fold.

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Well with 15 outs we need everyone to call to make this a definite equity play. Doesn't seem like a sure play.

[RED_RAIN]

Your first part of the sentence is good, the second is fearful thinking where we I think it changes those of us who go for maximize our BB/100.

[SeeWillie]

Take my advice with a grain. Like Bizot, I was once new, but I am still a tard.

To answer your questions:

1. Your mama (jk)
2. yes, if you think all three will call. Your flush comes in 35% of the time - 35% pot equity - and you are putting 33% of the bets in the pot.
3. I think you forget pot odds when you have an equity edge. Push the edge. Obviously, be careful if board is paired you may be drawing dead to a flopped full house

Although, I wonder if any more experienced posters discount hero's pot equity in this particular hand because hero has 2nd nut flush draw.


Lastly, others may differ, but put down ITH and re-read SSH. Then read TOP. Rinse. Repeat. Study.

[fluxrad]

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3. I think you forget pot odds when you have an equity edge. Push the edge. Obviously, be careful if board is paired you may be drawing dead to a flopped full house

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Makes sense.