Rules dealing w/ those who show their hands early.

wacki · #1 03-02-2005, 11:43 PM

I run a regular home game that meets atleast once a week. I've never seen this happen at a casino, so I don't know how to deal with it.

What are your favorite rules for dealing with someone that shows their hand (or one card) too early?

Basically I'm trying to find out what the best rules are and stick them into my homegame.

Please don't hassle me about giving up money by adding rules into my homegame. If I want to make $ I'll go to a casino. This is to avoid conflict in a friendly home game that normally has a few randoms.

Stork · #2 03-03-2005, 12:28 AM

You mean sorta like a premature showdown? [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

wacki · #3 03-03-2005, 01:16 AM

I totally screwed myself in that thread by using that word.

jojobinks · #4 03-03-2005, 01:28 AM

showing your hand is a muck. the end.

wacki · #5 03-03-2005, 01:36 AM

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showing your hand is a muck. the end.

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Not at all casinos. In the old days there was a complicated set of rules for dealing with this that gave players some extra tools to use. That is one of the things I'm interested in finding.

SugarV · #6 03-03-2005, 09:41 AM

This happened at a table I was at about 6 years ago. It was pretty low limit (5/10, I believe).

There were four players in the hand. The last player to act flipped his cards over after the turn. The players noted that he did and told him there was another round of betting. The player turned his cards over. However, the dealer stepped in and told the player that he had to show his cards. The dealer made the cards public and the last round of betting occurred. Everyone checked. Another player won the pot.

I thought that the floor person should have been called for a judgement. However, I didn't feel like saying anything or embarrassing the guy. It was obvious that he was a novice.

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TN_POKER_MAN · #7 03-03-2005, 10:34 AM

In our relaxed home game, we'd badger the idiot and let him off with a warning (probably make him make the next beer run).

Hopefully, his opponents took advantage of the idiot. If they were behind, they didn't put any more money in the pot, but if they were ahead they forced him out of the pot. He deserves to have the info used against him.

We'd then announce to everyone that from this point forward, showing your hand prematurely represents a muck.

Big Country · #8 03-03-2005, 02:04 PM

Found two rules that seem to apply from Robert's Rules of Poker:

Roberts Rules of Poker. Section 3 - The Showdown
6. If you show cards to an active player during a deal, any player at the table has the right to see those exposed cards. Cards shown during or after a deal to a player not in the pot should be shown to all players when the deal is finished

and, though this applies to tourney play, it can easily be added to a home game:

Roberts Rules of Poker. Section 15 - Tournaments
21. Showing cards from a live hand during the action injures the rights of other players still competing in an event, who wish to see contestants eliminated. A player may not show any cards during a deal (unless the event has only two remaining players). If a player deliberately shows a card, the player may be penalized (but his hand will not be ruled dead). Verbally stating one’s hand during the play may be penalized.

Big Country · #9 03-03-2005, 02:10 PM

A little more from his Rules for home games, found here:

12. Procedure for an exposed card varies with the poker form, and is given in the section for each game. A card that is flashed by a dealer is treated as an exposed card. A card that is flashed by a player will play. To obtain a ruling on whether a card was exposed and should be replaced, a player should announce that the card was flashed or exposed before looking at it. A downcard dealt off the table is an exposed card.

smoore · #10 03-03-2005, 02:17 PM

I would handle it like this:
Tournament, heads up action: Not mucked but must remain exposed.
Tournament, multiway action: Mucked, baby, mucked.
Ring game, any action: Not mucked but must remain exposed.

Having said that, I have managed to get my hand over a players exposed cards before I even saw what they were. Everyone at the table agreed that they weren't visible and we did the river round of betting with my hand firmly planted on the newbies cards. I don't think he's ever done that again, now if he gets confused he looks around and says, "showdown?"

The reason I say that the cards aren't neccesarily mucked is because people could use the angle, "What do you have?" against drunks or newbies. I've seen people voluntarily show thier opponent thier hand on the turn when presented with this question.