"Official" Live at the Bike Thread (3/2 show) - Page 13

Corey · #**121** 03-03-2005, 12:32 AM

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Sorry Bart. But I did hear you tell Greg Raymer that you don't like to raise with Aces out of the BB.

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Max, he didn't say the super weak-tight "quote", but he did reaffirm his willingness to check aces from the BB with 5 limpers in a limit game.

Russ McGinley · #**122** 03-03-2005, 12:34 AM

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Because people, in general, are ignorant NOT stupid. If 2 pros are saying this is the wrong thing to do, people will listen.

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But your average internet fish doesn't know who these people are. There are people reading this thread right now who have no idea who they are. If Bart Hanson walked into the room right now with a sign around his neck that read "Hi, I'm Bart Hanson", I wouldn't know who he is. A fish doesn't hear "Calling with 3-2 offsuit is bad" when that player is dragging a monster pot because they can't think at that level. If they could think at that level, they would understand that calling with junk hands is bad play. There is not a fish out there that is thinking "Hey, I can play J-3 offsuit" but will totally change his mind because some announcer on some internet broadcast says its bad. He doesn't know why its bad, and until he's given substantial reasons why its bad, he will continue to do so. And even if he is given reasons, he will remember that one time he won a big pot with J3o and he doesn't want to lay it down for fear the flop will come J-3-3.

PuckNPoker · #**123** 03-03-2005, 12:37 AM

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Because people, in general, are ignorant NOT stupid. If 2 pros are saying this is the wrong thing to do, people will listen.

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But your average internet fish doesn't know who these people are. There are people reading this thread right now who have no idea who they are. If Bart Hanson walked into the room right now with a sign around his neck that read "Hi, I'm Bart Hanson", I wouldn't know who he is. A fish doesn't hear "Calling with 3-2 offsuit is bad" when that player is dragging a monster pot because they can't think at that level. If they could think at that level, they would understand that calling with junk hands is bad play. There is not a fish out there that is thinking "Hey, I can play J-3 offsuit" but will totally change his mind because some announcer on some internet broadcast says its bad. He doesn't know why its bad, and until he's given substantial reasons why its bad, he will continue to do so. And even if he is given reasons, he will remember that one time he won a big pot with J3o and he doesn't want to lay it down for fear the flop will come J-3-3.

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One hand, yes I would agree, but them talking about how bad people are playing hand after hand, is bad. Bad because they are talking bad about a customer and bad because they are educating fish.

Russ McGinley · #**124** 03-03-2005, 12:44 AM

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One hand, yes I would agree, but them talking about how bad people are playing hand after hand, is bad. Bad because they are talking bad about a customer and bad because they are educating fish.

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They are not "talking bad about a customer". They are analyzing and critiquing play, which is to be expected when your hole cards are being shown on a broadcast. Talking bad about him would be "The guy in seat 5 is just an idiot who is playing everything", which they are restraining from despite it being a challenge. Thinking that correctly analyzing poker play is "educating fish" is preposterous. Would it be better to listen to this show if Bart was saying how brilliant seat 5 has played all night? The audience for this show is likely comprised of mostly 2+2ers and RPGers and none of us want to hear stupid commentary like "Seat 5 is great!" when he is clearly not.

RockPile · #**125** 03-03-2005, 12:46 AM

This is my first time watching this.. Who are the commentators and what is the girls website she keeps talking about?

SpeakEasy · #**126** 03-03-2005, 12:47 AM

Seat 5 is ... Brian Austin Green.

Corey · #**127** 03-03-2005, 12:47 AM

Shirley and Bart,

You handled these unfair criticisms well and tell nothing but the truth. But please keep making fun of seat 5! You are analysts after all

Poker Pugilist · #**128** 03-03-2005, 12:47 AM

Worse yet... what if these bad players find 2+2?

PuckNPoker · #**129** 03-03-2005, 12:47 AM

Bart & Shirley,

Ignorance, is different than being stupid. You are saying people know they are playing bad and dont care. I disagree.

VTDuffman · #**130** 03-03-2005, 12:48 AM

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Because people, in general, are ignorant NOT stupid. If 2 pros are saying this is the wrong thing to do, people will listen.

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But your average internet fish doesn't know who these people are. There are people reading this thread right now who have no idea who they are. If Bart Hanson walked into the room right now with a sign around his neck that read "Hi, I'm Bart Hanson", I wouldn't know who he is. A fish doesn't hear "Calling with 3-2 offsuit is bad" when that player is dragging a monster pot because they can't think at that level. If they could think at that level, they would understand that calling with junk hands is bad play. There is not a fish out there that is thinking "Hey, I can play J-3 offsuit" but will totally change his mind because some announcer on some internet broadcast says its bad. He doesn't know why its bad, and until he's given substantial reasons why its bad, he will continue to do so. And even if he is given reasons, he will remember that one time he won a big pot with J3o and he doesn't want to lay it down for fear the flop will come J-3-3.

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What he said. Fish will always be fish, their brains are wired differently.