Card Counting Not That Profitable....

[Tony.T]

Why is it so that the ones saying how much u make counting cards always have something to sell? The people who gets rich on bj are the authors claiming true count bla bla penetration bla bla, all casino gamlers are stupid long term loosers except pokerplayers

[charlie_t_jr]

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all casino gamlers are stupid long term loosers except pokerplayers

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Card counting is relatively easy. Making money card counting is not. Among other things, it takes a sufficient BR and discipline. It's getting tougher to find BJ that's worthwhile, but the games are still beatable.

If you're suggesting one cannot gain an advantage at BJ, then you are just plain wrong.

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except pokerplayers

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If you're suggesting the majority of players in the poker room are winning players, once again you are just plain wrong.

[Tony.T]

I know that card counting is easy and I know that you can gain an edge by counting. But I still claim that the ones making serious money on BJ are the people selling books etc. Most pokerplayers all loosers as well. No fishes, no pros. True. But the reason you find a person in a cardroom and not on the gamingfloor, is because that player is smarter than the other gamblers because he/she has choosen a skill game. Not a game where u loose a certain/fixed amount no matter of the outcome of just that deal/spin etc

[Blackjack]

Hmmm thats weird.

I often walk and sit down at a table and place a 100$ bet for shits and giggles when they've already been playing the shoe for awhile.

Does NMSE mean that you can't sit and watch for awhile and then sit down? Because they have had no problem with me jumping in and placing a quick large bet or 2 or 3.

Blackjack

[CORed]

I dabbled in card counting a little. From my reading on the subject, a 1-5 spread isn't going to make much money on anything but a single deck game, and will likely get you 86'ed or shufled up on there. For shoe games, you need at least a 10-1 spread if you play all. You need about 8-1 for double deck, unless it is dealt very deep (rare). You can get by with a smaller thread if you back count or wong out on negative counts for shoes. Back counting is best, but no-mid-shoe entry rules (or min. bet only after mid shoe entry rules) make this impossible at many casinos. Most casinos these days have fairly poor penetration, so that counting is pretty marginal. Even with favorable rules and gbood penetration, your edge is small relative to the standard deviation, so a big babkroll is mecessary. A bad run in blackjack (and they are pretty frequent) can be one of the most frustrating experiences imaginable. You will lose had after hand, in good counts and bad.

[charlie_t_jr]

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I know that card counting is easy and I know that you can gain an edge by counting.

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But the reason you find a person in a cardroom and not on the gamingfloor, is because that player is smarter than the other gamblers because he/she has choosen a skill game. Not a game where u loose a certain/fixed amount no matter of the outcome of just that deal/spin etc

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You're still making the statement that the "smart" players are in the poker room. You'll find gamblers in all areas of the casino including the poker room...and you'll find advantage players on the gaming floor as well.

As far as books and authors are concerned(BJ), if you play BJ, you must either play poorly, in poor conditions, or read the wrong books.

[Cheeseweasel]

If you have good eyes and you're short, you can make a very good living front loading. There are a lot of flashers out there. When you're playing with information, card games that are normally EV- can become massively EV+. It's also legal, even in Nevada.

On the other hand, do you know what is the definition of a pioneer? He's the guy with the arrow in his back. You may be backroomed and/or arrested for front loading but it's not illegal.

[CORed]

The primary advantages of team play are the pooled bankroll and the ability to play a lot of hands in a little time. Spotter and big player tactics really only buy you a little playing time. Uston was using these tactics in the '70's and I don't think he was the first. The casinos certainly know about this strategy and will spot it.

[TStoneMBD]

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The primary advantages of team play are the pooled bankroll and the ability to play a lot of hands in a little time. Spotter and big player tactics really only buy you a little playing time. Uston was using these tactics in the '70's and I don't think he was the first. The casinos certainly know about this strategy and will spot it.

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About bankroll; I have started a thread on this forum questioning what an appropriate bankroll is for your standard bet, and nobody seems to know the answer! I have a tough time contemplating how none of the professional counters on here have a mathematical understanding of what an adaquete bankroll is. If anybody knows the answer out there please fill me in.

[CORed]

You would probably get better answers on one of the blackjack boards. Professional Blackjack, by Stanford Wong and Blackjack Attack, by Don Schlessinger are good books for this sort of information. There's a lot of information out there, but this site is not really that good for blackjack.