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#11
03-02-2005, 05:00 PM
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Re: A funny thing happened while clearing bonus
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You sure him slow playing this had cost him a Bet? You could say it gained him a bet. Yes the guy called the River but that was after Check-Check on the Turn. After Lead out bet on Flop a lead out beat on the river would almost always seen a fold. Yes/NO? Even if the guy calls on the Trun he not going to call again on the River with Ace high. Unless you have big LAG read on this guy. [/ QUOTE ] maybe maybe not, at anyrate not betting the turn here in position is terrible plus reasoning like what you just gave is horrible, its entirely results orientated, wrong, worthless and not worth reading ... [/ QUOTE ] I agree the corect play is to Bet out here on the turn. But way is my reason for possible check. Or Check raise so horrible? Your going to say it does not matter what kind of read you might have on player? IF he is lag way would not check/raise for Vaule? Saying it's not the right play and saying it's horrible play are 2 differnt options in my book. So lightin up! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Yes, going for the check/raise here is horrible, do you see why? Not betting the turn here is horrible. [/ QUOTE ] With Flush Draw out there you need lead out and bet. I see that Check/Raise play is bad for that reason. This is part of game I need to work on. So did I come up with the right answer. I still will question anyone that says thinking like fish but not playing like fish when playing fish is bad thing.... [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] 
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#12
03-02-2005, 05:02 PM
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Re: A funny thing happened while clearing bonus
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Or Check raise so horrible? Your going to say it does not matter what kind of read you might have on player? IF he is lag way would not check/raise for Vaule? [/ QUOTE ] Jesus, God-Almighty. Back to remedial poker for you!
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#13
03-02-2005, 05:05 PM
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Re: A funny thing happened while clearing bonus
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You sure him slow playing this had cost him a Bet? You could say it gained him a bet. Yes the guy called the River but that was after Check-Check on the Turn. After Lead out bet on Flop a lead out beat on the river would almost always seen a fold. Yes/NO? Even if the guy calls on the Trun he not going to call again on the River with Ace high. Unless you have big LAG read on this guy. [/ QUOTE ] maybe maybe not, at anyrate not betting the turn here in position is terrible plus reasoning like what you just gave is horrible, its entirely results orientated, wrong, worthless and not worth reading ... [/ QUOTE ] I agree the corect play is to Bet out here on the turn. But way is my reason for possible check. Or Check raise so horrible? Your going to say it does not matter what kind of read you might have on player? IF he is lag way would not check/raise for Vaule? Saying it's not the right play and saying it's horrible play are 2 differnt options in my book. So lightin up! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Yes, going for the check/raise here is horrible, do you see why? Not betting the turn here is horrible. [/ QUOTE ] With Flush Draw out there you need lead out and bet. I see that Check/Raise play is bad for that reason. This is part of game I need to work on. So did I come up with the right answer. I still will question anyone that says thinking like fish but not playing like fish when playing fish is bad thing.... [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Are we talking about going for a check-raise on the turn here?
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#14
03-02-2005, 05:19 PM
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Re: A funny thing happened while clearing bonus
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You sure him slow playing this had cost him a Bet? You could say it gained him a bet. Yes the guy called the River but that was after Check-Check on the Turn. After Lead out bet on Flop a lead out beat on the river would almost always seen a fold. Yes/NO? Even if the guy calls on the Trun he not going to call again on the River with Ace high. Unless you have big LAG read on this guy. [/ QUOTE ] maybe maybe not, at anyrate not betting the turn here in position is terrible plus reasoning like what you just gave is horrible, its entirely results orientated, wrong, worthless and not worth reading ... [/ QUOTE ] I agree the corect play is to Bet out here on the turn. But way is my reason for possible check. Or Check raise so horrible? Your going to say it does not matter what kind of read you might have on player? IF he is lag way would not check/raise for Vaule? Saying it's not the right play and saying it's horrible play are 2 differnt options in my book. So lightin up! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Yes, going for the check/raise here is horrible, do you see why? Not betting the turn here is horrible. [/ QUOTE ] With Flush Draw out there you need lead out and bet. I see that Check/Raise play is bad for that reason. This is part of game I need to work on. So did I come up with the right answer. I still will question anyone that says thinking like fish but not playing like fish when playing fish is bad thing.... [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Are we talking about going for a check-raise on the turn here? [/ QUOTE ] Yes we are talking about the Turn... Also Have not played in couple days and just been reading books. This can trun my brain in Mush sometimes..... So go easy on me... LOL.
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#15
03-02-2005, 05:21 PM
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Re: A funny thing happened while clearing bonus
So you would play the turn somewhat like this:
Villian: check You: check Villian's 2nd chance to act: bet You: raise Correct?
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#16
03-02-2005, 05:21 PM
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Re: A funny thing happened while clearing bonus
You should cut UTG some slack. Since UTG has the nuts and after BB checks the flop and turn, the best UTG can hope for is that BB improves his hand on the river so he bets the river and UTG can then raise and hope to get two bets out of BB if BB calls his raise. UTG is lucky that BB called him on the river.
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#17
03-02-2005, 05:24 PM
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Re: A funny thing happened while clearing bonus
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Also Have not played in couple days and just been reading books. This can trun my brain in Mush sometimes..... So go easy on me... LOL. [/ QUOTE ] Guy with quads is the last to act on the turn. Going for the check/raise from his perspective would be...tremendously stupid.
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#18
03-02-2005, 05:31 PM
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Re: A funny thing happened while clearing bonus
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[ QUOTE ] Also Have not played in couple days and just been reading books. This can trun my brain in Mush sometimes..... So go easy on me... LOL. [/ QUOTE ] Guy with quads is the last to act on the turn. Going for the check/raise from his perspective would be...tremendously stupid. [/ QUOTE ] OH MY Lord DID I read it that Bad! [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] .. I have stop reading these post well beining on Con Call for work!
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#19
03-02-2005, 05:36 PM
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Re: A funny thing happened while clearing bonus
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You should cut UTG some slack. Since UTG has the nuts and after BB checks the flop and turn, the best UTG can hope for is that BB improves his hand on the river so he bets the river and UTG can then raise and hope to get two bets out of BB if BB calls his raise. UTG is lucky that BB called him on the river. [/ QUOTE ] you are asssuming too much, a. that BB doesn't have a decent hand, b. won't call both anyway ... aka results-orientated thinking, you see that the BB only had a junk A, and therefore wouldn't call both the turn and river, and think checking the turn is better, hoping an A hits and you get 2bets, well first off the BB already made a bad flop call here, and a bad river call .. so its likely he'd make a bad turn call as well so even from the cheating and seeing what he has perspective you still bet the turn clearly if the BB has a decent piece of the board, or a PP you are much better off betting, you'll get called on the turn, and if he improves a lot like to say Kingsfull(esp if he has K8) he might C/R the river, allowing you to 3bet [ QUOTE ] So you would play the turn somewhat like this: Villian: check You: check Villian's 2nd chance to act: bet You: raise Correct? [/ QUOTE ] that might even top the bet/raise yourself lines that have shown up a few times
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#20
03-02-2005, 05:41 PM
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Re: A funny thing happened while clearing bonus
Based on a particular read of an opponent this is not 100% wrong because if you think that there is a very good chance your opponent will fold here then you may want to check it through to induce a bluff or at least a call "to keep you honest" on the river. Now this is micros and this guy was probably not thinking that well, but I'm just saying for future reference don't totally blow off this play, occassionaly it is correct [most likely never ever in micros].
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