KQd: Standard play on one dimond flop

gopnik · #1 03-02-2005, 11:58 AM

This is my standard play against unknown players. I don't want to fold on the flop to one SB because I have a decent drawing hand. So, call or raise? Raising might be ok to try to go for a free card, but there are 2 people behind me. Plus, I think my hand is too weak for raising. So, this is how I usually play when I have 2 overs with a backdoor: call one SB on the flop and fold the turn UI. Is it a decent play? Anybody has a better strategy here?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 3 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero folds, MP3 folds, SB calls.

River: (8 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, BB checks.

Final Pot: 8 BB

akira · #2 03-02-2005, 12:01 PM

This would be a good spot to raise and get everyone else out. You were the preflop raiser on this, so there's a good chance it might get you a free card.

Losfer · #3 03-02-2005, 12:03 PM

If you just call I think a hand like A6 or A2 is getting odds to call, so maybe its worth a raise here. This could result in a free card on the turn as well. This probably what I would do, but I'm not sure if it's the best play or not.

flopwell · #4 03-02-2005, 12:05 PM

I wouldn't pf raise this oop. How you play this depends on reads, I think. Playing for a backdoor flush is the wrong way to approach it, imho. You have flopped 2 overcards to the board, and if either pairs you have a decent kicker. A raise here might get you a free card next time, but again you are oop. Without good reads, I would probably take one off for 1 sb, although most people would advise against it.

edited: oops, you are pf raiser, which means raising is probably the way to go.

istewart · #5 03-02-2005, 12:10 PM

I think this is a must-raise PF.

TwoShedsJackson · #6 03-02-2005, 12:17 PM

I limp this preflop from UTG, this is a good multiway pot hand, not so good to knock a lot of people out and be out of position into the bargain.

I raise the flop to try and knock out those behind and go for a free card if the turn is a diamond. Should it be a K or Q, I bet the turn.

IsaacW · #7 03-02-2005, 12:35 PM

Even if you raise this UTG, you're going to get a multiway pot a lot of the time at the micro limits. Not raising KQs UTG is a crime, you're giving up a lot of value because people will cold call with worse hands all day long. If they happen to fold once in a while, that's fine too since you have a couple of big cards. KQs is a strong hand in SH and multiway pots alike.

davelin · #8 03-02-2005, 12:35 PM

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I limp this preflop from UTG, this is a good multiway pot hand, not so good to knock a lot of people out and be out of position into the bargain.

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Easy raise UTG. The fact it's 9-handed makes the decision even easier.

DeadManJay · #9 03-02-2005, 12:44 PM

I raise the flop here. I have ~7 outs here, if I'm thinking correctly. 2 for the backdoor flush, ~1 for the backdoor st8, and about 4 for your overcards. If everyone calls on the flop, I'd call this turn, but I'm not sure how correct it would be to call two overcards getting 10:1.

GrunchCan · #10 03-02-2005, 01:21 PM

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I wouldn't pf raise this oop. How you play this depends on reads, I think

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No, you HAVE TO raise KQs UTG. KQs is a good hand multiway and HU. Its good in rings, and its good SH. It has a lot of TP strength, a lot of broadway strength, and a lot of flush strength.